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- [00:04:14] <mike85>
hi all
- [00:05:00] <mike85>
i've built my own stripped-down kernel (mainline 3.0) and I don't get any entry under /proc/asound/cards
- [00:05:20] <mike85>
using the snd-soc-omap driver
- [00:05:49] <mike85>
is this the right driver for the pandaboard? am i doing smth wrong?
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hi there!
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hello!
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- [03:04:47] <mic4ael>
hello everyone!
- [03:07:07] <mic4ael>
I couldnt find an answer to one problem online, hope you could help
- [03:07:39] <netman87>
i dont really get people who ask help
- [03:07:44] <netman87>
but never write about problem
- [03:07:48] <mic4ael>
it has been few days I try to boot pandroid
- [03:08:06] <netman87>
there is alse some weirdos those part or quit instantly after asking
- [03:08:10] <mic4ael>
status LED 1 keeps flashing, no serial output nothing happens
- [03:08:55] <mic4ael>
pandaboard Rev 2, Pandroid L27.12.1
- [03:09:58] <netman87>
sorry cant help as i dont have pandaboard yet
- [03:10:36] <nit0912>
sory buddy, cant help. still not received pandaboard. waitin 4 last 7 dayz
- [03:11:05] <mic4ael>
i managed to get ubuntu working by copying the whole image to sd card using "sh -c" command, but cant seem to boot anything up after manually creating sd card
- [03:11:46] <mic4ael>
I dont want to be rude, but why are you in #pandaboard channel lol
- [03:12:03] <mic4ael>
no ofence guys
- [03:12:14] <netman87>
why not? its interesting project. also im gonna get pandaboard.
- [03:12:25] <netman87>
i know something about linux so i may also be able to help someones
- [03:13:10] <mic4ael>
i got mine after 3 weeks waiting, plus they charged me 33 pound for custom duties
- [03:13:31] <prpplague>
mic4ael: try using the validation image first
- [03:13:34] <netman87>
i havent ordered yet. had no money
- [03:13:47] <prpplague>
mic4ael: 99% of the boot issues are do to incorrect creation of the sd card
- [03:14:27] <mic4ael>
by saying validation image do you mean minimal fs?
- [03:14:37] <prpplague>
yes
- [03:17:28] <mic4ael>
I'll try it now. however Im worried about revision of the board. all environments are for Rev 1 I had no luck with, only ubuntu was for R2 and it work fab!
- [03:18:32] <prpplague>
mic4ael: all of the A boards are the exact same pcb, only difference is the silicon version of the OMAP4430
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- [03:39:13] <calculus>
and the wireless module is slightly different
- [03:41:56] <mic4ael>
validation fs doesnt boot either. status LEDs 1 and 2 flash randomly few times, then go off. no serial or video output :(
- [03:42:08] <mic4ael>
there must be something i do wrong :)
- [03:42:45] <mic4ael>
at 4:42 in the morning it's still fun lol
- [03:42:51] <prpplague>
mic4ael: if you are using the validation image
- [03:42:58] <prpplague>
mic4ael: and the leds go off
- [03:43:13] <prpplague>
mic4ael: that means that the bootloader has been started
- [03:43:27] <prpplague>
mic4ael: which means more than likely you have an issue with your serial cable
- [03:47:17] <mic4ael>
serial config and connection seams fine, it did show me some info with other envioronments before,
- [03:48:44] <mic4ael>
i just pluged the power, screen went blue and turned off again, strange random behaviour
- [03:49:41] <calculus>
strange random behavior can also be attributed to a power supply not providing enough power
- [03:50:44] <mic4ael>
maybe that explains it
- [03:51:38] <mic4ael>
ubuntu works well on usb OTG, however I also got a usb - 5v adapter, which is still 500ma
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- [03:54:13] <prpplague>
mic4ael: you stated earlier that were not able to boot anything
- [03:55:55] <mic4ael>
i couldnt boot anything if I created sd manualy in linux invironment
- [03:56:31] <prpplague>
mic4ael: ok so the prebuilt ubuntu boots properly and you see output on the uart?
- [03:57:26] <mic4ael>
i do, but again it's very random
- [03:57:44] <prpplague>
mic4ael: and how are you powering the board?
- [03:58:33] <mic4ael>
YOU NOT GOING TO BELIVE, after 5 minutes being plugged in to power and having both LEDs off, I got validation fs . haa
- [03:58:53] <prpplague>
mic4ael: you are powering the board via the OTG port
- [03:58:56] <prpplague>
mic4ael: correct?
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- [03:59:15] <mic4ael>
ubuntu went well with OTG
- [03:59:32] <prpplague>
mic4ael: you are powering the board via the OTG port, correct?
- [03:59:37] <mic4ael>
now i have validation fs up and runing on OTG too
- [03:59:41] <mic4ael>
yes
- [04:00:21] <prpplague>
mic4ael: when powering the board from OTG, the OMAP4430 expects to boot from the OTG, after timing out, it will then try to boot from the sd card
- [04:00:38] <prpplague>
mic4ael: that timeout value can be as much as 5 minutes
- [04:01:32] <mic4ael>
right, then there's another way to boot it, anyone attempted to boot from OTG?
- [04:02:36] <prpplague>
mic4ael: there are about 10 different ways to boot the omap4430, - http://pandaboard.org/content/usb-downloader-and-usb-second-stage-bootloader-omap4
- [04:03:27] <mic4ael>
brilliant, how's the speed?
- [04:03:40] <prpplague>
the speed of what?
- [04:05:00] <mic4ael>
ther's must be some speed advantages over booting from sd
- [04:05:31] <prpplague>
mic4ael: pretty much the same, the advantage is you don't have to reprogram the sd card for testing
- [04:06:10] <calculus>
the advantage of boot over sd is you do not need a second computer
- [04:08:05] <prpplague>
calculus: what's cookin this evening?
- [04:08:06] <mic4ael>
well, yes, true. what about booting from usb?
- [04:08:35] <prpplague>
mic4ael: the advantage when booting from usb is you don't have to reprogram the sd card for testing
- [04:08:44] <calculus>
prpplague: not much, trying to get some accounts set up on vms
- [04:08:56] <mic4ael>
i mean usb memory
- [04:08:59] <prpplague>
calculus: you get affected by the power outage?
- [04:09:07] <prpplague>
mic4ael: usb memory?
- [04:09:35] <calculus>
prpplague: nope, not here
- [04:09:37] <mic4ael>
does omap4 support boot from usb sticks
- [04:09:56] <prpplague>
mic4ael: yes, omap4430 does, however the pandaboard does not
- [04:10:40] <calculus>
mic4ael: you would need the boot loader (uboot) + kernel on sd and then the rootfs on usb stick/drive
- [04:10:52] <netman87>
it needs magic tricks? boot loader on sd to boot from usb cd-rom? http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/magictrick.gif
- [04:11:34] <prpplague>
netman87: indeed
- [04:12:41] <netman87>
hmm, i should already order one or two pandaboard but... im just too poor... maybe next week i get job
- [04:12:51] <netman87>
oh this week i mean... its already monday
- [04:14:14] <mic4ael>
the magic trick nearly killed poor boy lol
- [04:15:38] <calculus>
prpplague: are the fires anywhere near you?
- [04:16:55] <prpplague>
calculus: to the west, to the south, and to the east, but nothing that is headed our direction
- [04:17:50] <mic4ael>
another silly question, how do i get terminal in validation fs?
- [04:18:25] <prpplague>
mic4ael: should be able to just press enter on your serial terminal
- [04:18:56] <mic4ael>
there's definitely something wrong with my serial connection (
- [04:19:21] <prpplague>
mic4ael: can you pastebin your bootlog?
- [04:19:22] <mic4ael>
no output any longer
- [04:19:41] <prpplague>
mic4ael: i suspect you aren;t getting enough power from the OTG port
- [04:19:41] <calculus>
loopback test, connect pin 2 to pin 3 and see if you can get the echo of what you type
- [04:19:57] <prpplague>
mic4ael: you really need to get either a dual usb cable or a wall-wart with atleast 2A
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- [04:22:31] <mic4ael>
ordering one on fleebay now
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- [04:30:15] <mic4ael>
ive just found my HTC usb charger, 5b 1amp, giving it a try
- [04:30:22] <mic4ael>
5v
- [04:31:47] <mic4ael>
still the same
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- [13:15:36] <newbie1>
hello. where can i get more detailed power consumption statistics?
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- [13:16:51] <av500>
more detailed than what?
- [13:18:01] <newbie1>
av500-> there's a record in faq, that says 4a under full load. what's in idle state? with wifi on? with gpu off?
- [13:19:52] <newbie1>
p.s.: i'm planning to run it on battery
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- [13:25:48] <phh>
newbie1: i'd guess with 2A used on usb bus
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- [14:13:29] <newbie1>
can anyone tell me, why there's such a difference in power consumption between pandaboard (20w) and other omap4430-based SOMs, let's say, phyCORE-OMAP4430 (3w) from phytec?
- [14:19:25] <LetoThe2nd>
newbie1: the panda does *not* consume 20w. he correct expression is, that a panda-based system *can* consume 20W including the usb components fed through the panda.
- [14:20:34] <LetoThe2nd>
newbie1: a panda not feeding any usb devices draws roughly 1A loaded @5VDC, and down to ~650mA when idling. there are your approx 3W again then.
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- [15:06:04] <robclark>
prpplague, not sure if this is old news or not: http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=people/andygreen/kernel-tilt.git;a=commitdiff;h=f392cbf75615e9d8cb90ef5ffb8d4e752b7be3c7
- [15:06:09] <robclark>
(re: usb performance)
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- [16:24:01] <prpplague>
Alison_Chaiken: greetings
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- [16:29:58] <Alison_Chaiken>
Greetings, prpplague. Starting new gig this morning, hope I can diffuse slowly back towards Panda.
- [16:30:17] <prpplague>
Alison_Chaiken: dandy
- [16:32:32] <GPSFan>
robclark, that patch is the latest in a long discussion about usb performance, dma_coherent _write_sync and the like. I tried an older version and it did indeed improve the perfprmance. I just tried that patch and it had the same effect. It seems like it will get into mainline one of these days.
- [16:32:58] <GPSFan>
robclark, see for more about the issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux-linaro/+bug/709245
- [16:33:45] <robclark>
GPSFan, k, thx... I just noticed that patch when I rebased.. it is on agreen's tree at least
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- [16:37:15] <GPSFan>
robclark, my usb drive went from ~4M/s to ~13M/s (it wouldn't go any faster in my desktop either. ) so it seems to be a nice improvement.
- [16:38:07] <robclark>
nice
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- [16:41:22] <MrCurious_>
GPSfan: what did you do to get it to fo from 4M to 13M
- [16:42:50] <GPSFan>
MrCurious, applied the patch from here: http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=people/andygreen/kernel-tilt.git;a=commitdiff;h=f392cbf75615e9d8cb90ef5ffb8d4e752b7be3c7
- [16:43:57] <MrCurious_>
TY
- [16:44:26] <MrCurious_>
kernel patch right?
- [16:44:44] <GPSFan>
MrCurious_, that was to 3.1-rc4 btw. it applies with a bit of an offset.
- [16:44:50] <prpplague>
GPSFan: btw, i have some hdmi patches for you to test against 3.1
- [16:44:58] <GPSFan>
prpplague, sure...
- [16:45:00] <MrCurious_>
i think i will have to try applying this tonight :D
- [16:45:02] <prpplague>
GPSFan: i'll try to get them to you in the next few days
- [16:45:12] <MrCurious_>
then see if my SSD can top 7M/s
- [16:45:22] <GPSFan>
prpplague, np, e-mail or pastebin both ok
- [16:46:05] <prpplague>
GPSFan: i need to clone a copy of 3.1-rc4 since git.kernel.org is still down
- [16:47:22] <GPSFan>
MrCurious_, I found the original reference here: http://www.trimslice.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=218&p=1240&hilit=hdparm#p1240 wrt SSD (on usb) improvements, so you might have some good luck.
- [16:47:53] <MrCurious_>
sweet!
- [16:47:55] <MrCurious_>
thanks
- [16:48:19] <GPSFan>
MrCurious_, please let us know how it works.
- [16:49:30] <MrCurious_>
me being quiet about something... that will happen...
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- [16:49:49] <prpplague>
MrCurious_: hehe
- [16:50:23] <MrCurious_>
timing is perfect, just as i grumble about power consumption of atom box, the arm solution gets unblocked!
- [16:50:36] <GPSFan>
I was hesitant to put anything on the wiki due to the large amount of discussiion going on about the dma_coherent_write_sync, then kernel.org went TU and I missed the discussion on launchpad till now.
- [16:50:51] <MrCurious_>
wonder if it speeds SD access?
- [16:51:02] <_av500_>
sd is not on usb
- [16:51:14] <prpplague>
MrCurious_: my tests indicated there was no correlation with sd performance
- [16:51:16] <MrCurious_>
not EHCI?
- [16:51:28] <_av500_>
no
- [16:51:30] <MrCurious_>
so the SD speed is another issue
- [16:51:32] <_av500_>
SD/MMC
- [16:51:43] <MrCurious_>
(if an issue at all)
- [16:52:03] <GPSFan>
put your SD card in a reader and plug it into the USB and it's performance will improve ;>))
- [16:52:50] <MrCurious_>
hmmm
- [16:53:03] <_av500_>
or just stop assuming the panda is a high performance server :)
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- [16:53:25] <MrCurious_>
but i WANT it to be a high performance server equivalent to 32 blades
- [16:53:31] <MrCurious_>
all in under 5W
- [16:53:45] <_av500_>
sure
- [16:54:02] <_av500_>
run it downhill
- [16:54:07] <MrCurious_>
lol
- [16:54:09] <_av500_>
its faster then
- [16:54:22] <MrCurious_>
i think its performance running a desktop lulls one into expecting much more from it...
- [16:54:45] <_av500_>
i wonder what you mean
- [16:54:53] <_av500_>
it blinks the cursor fast?
- [16:56:39] <prpplague>
GPSFan: you testing -rc5?
- [16:57:17] <MrCurious_>
the GUI desktop is quite responsive
- [16:57:37] <_av500_>
on mine it takes ages to load eclipse
- [16:59:10] <GPSFan>
prpplague, haven't had the time, there were not any panda or omap4 related changes from -rc4 so I was going to wait till kernel.org came back to life. but if it doesn't soon I'll have to teach my little pea brain a bit more about git to use Linus's github repo.
- [16:59:37] <prpplague>
GPSFan: ahh ok
- [16:59:54] <prpplague>
GPSFan: i was planning to retest these patches against 3.1-rc5
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- [17:05:13] <sjhill>
prpplague: so how does one do a 'repo sync' at this point?
- [17:06:09] <prpplague>
sjhill: you can add the github mirror as a remote, do a fetch
- [17:06:18] <prpplague>
sjhill: then you can just do a checkout
- [17:06:56] <sjhill>
prpplague: but that's just for the kernel, not the android pieces?
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- [17:07:35] <prpplague>
sjhill: sorry i not sure what android pieces you are refering to
- [17:07:53] <sjhill>
frameworks, device, sdk, etc.
- [17:08:02] <sjhill>
the afs
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- [17:08:36] <prpplague>
sjhill: all of that should be coming from the repo's for your build, i.e. if you are using the TI releases, that will come from git.omapzoom
- [17:09:10] <prpplague>
sjhill: is there something failing in the build?
- [17:09:31] <sjhill>
no that's fine
- [17:09:34] <sjhill>
the kernel is the issue
- [17:09:44] <sjhill>
i think i found the problem
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- [17:41:30] <prpplague>
GPSFan: think i should generate an update "fix" patch against 3.0 ?
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- [18:12:25] <prpplague>
ho ho hum
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- [18:13:47] <prpplague>
XorA: hey hey
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hey prpplague
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hows it going?
- [18:14:32] <prpplague>
XorA: like a car with 2 flat tires and a broken axle
- [18:15:22] <XorA>
oh dear
- [18:15:39] <XorA>
I had a fun drive up a mountain yesterday
- [18:15:44] <XorA>
North of San Fran
- [18:15:57] <prpplague>
XorA: oh? you are in the states?
- [18:16:31] <XorA>
aye, Cupertino
- [18:16:37] <prpplague>
XorA: fun fun
- [18:16:53] <XorA>
Cupertino is not so fun, was glad to escape yeserday :-D
- [18:17:09] <prpplague>
hehe
- [18:17:25] <XorA>
need excuse to come to Dallas and you feed my BBQ :-D
- [18:17:52] <prpplague>
XorA: hehe
- [18:17:54] <prpplague>
indeed
- [18:18:24] <prpplague>
XorA: or barbados, and let me set you up with one of my wife's 10^342342545678 cousins
- [18:18:44] <XorA>
my GF might kill me :-D
- [18:19:18] <prpplague>
XorA: i think there is a 1 gf per continental area
- [18:19:27] <prpplague>
XorA: i think there is a 1 gf per continental area rule
- [18:19:37] <XorA>
hmmm, I like this one though
- [18:19:49] <XorA>
maybe next year
- [18:19:58] <prpplague>
XorA: hehe
- [18:25:06] <calculus>
hmm... Cupertino, I am in Mountain View
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- [18:25:32] <sjhill>
Sunnyvale next week for me
- [18:25:49] <XorA>
unfortuneately been too busy to really enjoy CA
- [18:26:05] * calculus waves to sjhill too
- [18:26:26] <XorA>
Steven J Hill used to live in Edinburgh???
- [18:27:19] <sjhill>
XorA: no, that's my UK twin
- [18:27:24] <sjhill>
i'm in the US
- [18:27:59] <XorA>
hehe, was scared you was stalking me :-)
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it is good to have hot spares
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ds2: you keep stolen spares around? did they "fall of the back of a truck" ?
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- [18:53:41] <prpplague>
XorA: you will have one soon
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but of course
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where cann i access a mirror of kerel.org ?
- [21:15:57] <XShocK>
i need to get its power management branch
- [21:16:02] <XShocK>
kernel.org
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- [21:43:42] <XShocK>
found it on gitorius.org, loving it!
- [21:47:07] <calculus>
I would have said github, at least that is where linus moved his branch
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- [22:07:51] <XShocK>
could not find the linux-omap-pm on github
- [22:08:20] <XShocK>
also, i got a beagle-xm, which conf/machine/* file shoudl ibe using, beagleboard ?
- [22:08:58] <prpplague>
XShocK: all current mainline OMAP2 and higher devices use omap2plus_defconfig
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- [22:11:21] <XShocK>
prpplague, thx, so "MACHINE=omap2plus_defconfig ./oebb.sh bitbake virtual/kernel" is what i want?
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- [22:11:58] <XShocK>
mmm, somthing is wrong, i dont see omap2plus_defconfig
- [22:12:23] <prpplague>
XShocK: sorry i thought you were asking which kernel config
- [22:12:35] <prpplague>
XShocK: i assume you are asking something about an OE build
- [22:12:43] <XShocK>
ic, sorry for not being clear.
- [22:13:02] <XShocK>
i just want to setup a power management kernel
- [22:13:13] <XShocK>
build some minimal system to work with
- [22:13:42] <prpplague>
XShocK: yea, ask over in #beagle or in the channel for the specific distro you are building
- [22:14:13] <XShocK>
prpplague, oh, that too, sorry about that. didnt even think about switching channels
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- [22:36:51] <MrCurious_>
the makers of bitbake/openembedded should be ashamed for creating a web fetch method that is error prone, and not coding a auto-re-try
- [22:37:55] <prpplague>
MrCurious_: normally it does handle it
- [22:38:04] <prpplague>
MrCurious_: you can select a wide range of mirrors
- [22:38:10] <prpplague>
MrCurious: and alternate methods
- [22:38:33] <MrCurious_>
but why does it not auto-re-try
- [22:38:49] <MrCurious_>
i have been whacking at this off and on for months trying to get just one working build
- [22:39:30] <MrCurious_>
i dont get how so much can be based on it, and yet it is so flimsey
- [22:40:45] <MrCurious_>
i mean, to be more succinct, its like they re-implemented wget, only with out error correction
- [22:41:26] <prpplague>
MrCurious_: well generally it is extremely robust once you have everything configured properly for your environmnet
- [22:41:45] <prpplague>
MrCurious_: however the learning curve and the distro setup for OE can be huge
- [22:42:39] <MrCurious_>
yeah
- [22:43:14] <MrCurious_>
i think 1 programmer week spent by someone documenting it, or automating the recovery/configuration could be HUGE
- [22:44:19] <prpplague>
hehe
- [22:44:21] <prpplague>
indeed
- [22:44:51] <prpplague>
MrCurious_: i myself have been a long time critic of OE, but there have been some slow but consistent changes to the mindset
- [22:44:59] <prpplague>
MrCurious_: OE-Core is a giant step
- [22:45:23] <MrCurious_>
is there a trick to it ? like re-run it till it works?
- [22:47:09] <prpplague>
MrCurious_: all depends on your specific issue
- [22:47:25] <prpplague>
MrCurious_: what distro are you building?
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- [22:49:17] <prpplague>
jonmasters: hey hey
- [22:49:57] <MrCurious_>
have tried chumby builds and gumstix builds
- [22:50:03] <MrCurious_>
none have completed yet
- [22:50:10] <MrCurious_>
but getting closer :D
- [22:50:21] <prpplague>
those are machine types
- [22:50:52] <prpplague>
MrCurious_: most likely those builds aren't maintained
- [22:51:23] <MrCurious_>
the gumstix one seems to be built by many of late according to the lists
- [22:51:27] <XShocK>
sorry for a noob question. after doing a bitbake virtual/kernel, where do i get the actual kernel file? i know it is burried somewhere in the build folder, but i cant locate it
- [22:51:30] <MrCurious_>
but the chumby one, yeah
- [22:51:39] <MrCurious_>
enough about my problem...
- [22:54:35] <XShocK>
nvm, found it
- [22:54:39] <XorA>
hmm, hate to point this out but OE just uses curl/wget so any errors are not in OE
- [22:55:55] <MrCurious_>
just heard that. it cant tell a 404 page from a success
- [22:56:12] <XorA>
404 pages are evil and should die
- [22:56:25] <XorA>
totally break how the web works
- [22:57:27] <MrCurious_>
yeah
- [22:58:12] <prpplague>
99% of dev works is with a busybox rootfs that is less thant 64MB
- [22:59:38] <prpplague>
oops there was suppose to be a "my" in there somewhere
- [23:00:37] <MrCurious_>
wish i knew an easy way to un-busybox a machine
- [23:02:31] <jonmasters>
prpplague: hey dude. My IRC dropped earlier...just reconnecting :)
- [23:02:56] <prpplague>
jonmasters: the cases for flyswatter2 are in
- [23:03:05] <prpplague>
MrCurious_: un-busybox?
- [23:03:49] <MrCurious_>
yeah. i don't carefor busybox
- [23:03:52] <jonmasters>
prpplague: cool...yea, I heard that. Awesome.
- [23:04:03] <prpplague>
jonmasters: lime green
- [23:04:12] <MrCurious_>
i find it tries to do everything, but does nothing as good as the origional, and as such leads to hours of frustration
- [23:04:27] <prpplague>
MrCurious_: interesting
- [23:04:33] <MrCurious_>
if your mommy can afford a bigger SD card, it should be avoided at all costs
- [23:05:29] <prpplague>
MrCurious_: interesting
- [23:06:24] <MrCurious_>
thats just my opinion, i may be wrong.
- [23:06:42] <prpplague>
MrCurious_: they are just tools, you have to use the right tool for the right job
- [23:07:25] <MrCurious_>
right. but when i reach for a tool, i want to get the tool i reach for, not a plastic one painted to look like a real one
- [23:07:35] <prpplague>
hehe
- [23:08:00] <prpplague>
MrCurious_: and mine is when i need a spoon, i don't want to use a backhoe
- [23:08:58] <prpplague>
jonmasters: oh and btw, we are going to carry short idc db9 serial cables as well
- [23:09:07] <prpplague>
jonmasters: no more using that adapter you have
- [23:09:25] <MrCurious_>
example. trying to build software that wants lex/yacc. when busybox tries to makebelieve its these, it fails for me
- [23:09:59] <prpplague>
MrCurious_: you mean building something natively ?
- [23:10:40] <MrCurious_>
yes
- [23:11:07] <prpplague>
MrCurious: in 15 years of working on ARM devices, i have never done a native ARM compile
- [23:12:13] <MrCurious_>
pandaboard can actually build things pretty fast :D
- [23:12:33] <prpplague>
MrCurious: not faster than my quad
- [23:12:33] <MrCurious_>
it might be faster to build native than to build remote, and copy
- [23:13:20] <prpplague>
MrCurious: granted there are reasons to do natively compile, just none that i have to deal with
- [23:14:10] <prpplague>
MrCurious_: generally my goal is to make the rootfs as small as possible, which including a compiler isn't really something you need to have
- [23:14:23] <prpplague>
MrCurious_: just different goals
- [23:14:44] <prpplague>
MrCurious_: but like i said, you should try using the ubuntu build system, or maybe some of the angstrom stuff
- [23:15:03] <jonmasters>
prpplague: one day, you'll have faster ARM hardware than you can shake a stick at ;)
- [23:15:03] <prpplague>
MrCurious_: both can create full featured root filesystems
- [23:15:18] <prpplague>
jonmasters: hehe indeed
- [23:16:08] <prpplague>
jonmasters: hopefully not too far down the line
- [23:17:57] <prpplague>
jonmasters: we'll be carrying a cable similar to this one - http://www.sealevel.com/store/ca334-db9-male-to-db9-female-rs-232-touch-screen-cable-11-in-length.html
- [23:23:50] <prpplague>
jonmasters: i see karim is doing a full android tutorial at ELC-E
- [23:24:14] <jonmasters>
yea, he's all about Android these days
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- [23:27:58] <prpplague>
jonmasters: i considered signing up for the class, but i will have my hands full there as well
- [23:28:36] <prpplague>
jonmasters: we will be giving away the beacon boards after the first keynote speech there at ELC-E
- [23:36:56] <prpplague>
jonmasters: sorry i can't recall if i asked already, are planning to attend ELC-E?
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- [23:42:57] <jonmasters>
prpplague: I can't...got too much travel committed already :)
- [23:43:06] <prpplague>
jonmasters: ahh right
- [23:43:40] <prpplague>
jonmasters: i'll get a flyswatter2 case, serial cable, and beacon board out to you soon
- [23:49:09] <brandini>
evening
- [23:50:22] <prpplague>
brandini: greetings
- [23:50:52] <XorA>
flyswatter rocks
- [23:50:55] * XorA loves his
- [23:55:53] <prpplague>
XorA: hehe, you should try the flyswatter2
- [23:56:03] <prpplague>
XorA: 10 times faster
- [23:56:49] <XorA>
prpplague: bah, you ran away with that in the bar remember :-D
- [23:57:15] <prpplague>
XorA: hehe, naw that was the zippy2
- [23:57:39] <XorA>
heh, all I saw were flaming footprints :-D
- [23:58:23] <prpplague>
hehe
- [23:58:29] <XorA>
I sent my friends to Barcadia when they visited Dallas recently
- [23:58:43] <XorA>
havent seen them to ask what they thought
- [23:58:47] <prpplague>
XorA: hehe cool
- [23:59:04] <prpplague>
XorA: i haven't been back there myself
- [23:59:15] <prpplague>
XorA: thats almost a 2 hour drive for me
- [23:59:18] <XorA>
your bared for "the incident" :-D
- [23:59:31] <prpplague>
uh
- [23:59:37] * XorA is kidding of course
- [23:59:44] * prpplague wonders what "incident".........
- [23:59:44] <XorA>
there were no injuries from Jenga collapse
- [23:59:58] <prpplague>
XorA: hehe
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