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IRC Log for 2011-08-26

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  20. [02:17:56] <borillion> Having a kernel compile issue Drivers/mmc/host/omap.c:1562: error: too few arguments to function 'mmc_suspend_host', looking at core.c this function takes two arguments
  21. [02:18:04] <borillion> ret = mmc_suspend_host(slot->mmc) ... int mmc_suspend_host(struct mmc_host *host, pm_message_t state)
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  30. [03:07:08] <rajendra> Hi ogra_
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  38. [04:40:59] <Mitnick> robclard:codec_create:<ducativc1dec0> failed XDM_SETPARAMS how to debug this ? thx
  39. [04:41:54] <_av500_> dump the params
  40. [04:42:17] <Mitnick> av500: how to dump ?Any tips?
  41. [04:42:22] <_av500_> printf
  42. [04:42:31] <Mitnick> OK....thx
  43. [04:42:35] <_av500_> but keep that a secret :)
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  47. [04:55:37] <Mitnick> av500: how to enable AppM3's debug info?
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  54. [05:27:37] <student> anyone tried to play audio through headphones in panda?for me its not working
  55. [05:27:51] <student> can anyone help me out
  56. [05:28:22] <hitlin37_> it works in 2.3 pandroid
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  62. [05:42:39] <av500> Mitnick: not sure, there are some #defines
  63. [05:42:55] <av500> Mitnick: but what for?
  64. [05:43:03] <av500> you set the create params on the arm side
  65. [05:43:11] <av500> and you get error codes back
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  68. [06:02:02] <Mitnick> av500: fixed now.thx.
  69. [06:02:29] <av500> fixed how?
  70. [06:02:33] <Mitnick> av500: On android , too much work
  71. [06:02:56] <Mitnick> av500: fixed this: codec_create:<ducativc1dec0> failed XDM_SETPARAMS
  72. [06:03:08] <av500> yes, how?
  73. [06:04:00] <Mitnick> IVIDDEC3_DynamicParams setting misses some parms
  74. [06:05:21] <av500> for vc1 you can set the delay to 1
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  76. [06:07:03] <Mitnick> yes, i had set it
  77. [06:07:41] <Mitnick> my android-sink have many problems , i have to spend much time to fix it
  78. [06:08:32] <Mitnick> now, i have test h264,vc1,mpeg4,all is ok.
  79. [06:08:57] <av500> mpeg2 is fun
  80. [06:09:23] <Mitnick> gst-ducati is so nice.And robclard is so brillant! ^_^
  81. [06:09:42] <Mitnick> I don't have mpeg2dec codec
  82. [06:10:15] <Mitnick> So i can't test mpeg2
  83. [06:12:09] <av500> ah ic
  84. [06:12:26] <av500> wait a sec i have a nice test file for you
  85. [06:13:14] <av500> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/386450
  86. [06:13:33] <Mitnick> Ok thx
  87. [06:17:14] <Mitnick> I am downloading it...
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  89. [06:17:57] <Mitnick> av500: any idea how to detect a video is 3D or not?
  90. [06:18:54] <av500> SBS or MVC?
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  92. [06:19:27] <Mitnick> now i didn't find a mvc codec for gstreamerm, so i mean SBS
  93. [06:19:38] <av500> well, sbs is 3d in 2d
  94. [06:19:52] <av500> from the outside it looks like normal 2d content
  95. [06:20:11] <Mitnick> yes ,side by side for TV is very popular
  96. [06:20:23] <Mitnick> but how to detect it?
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  101. [06:24:32] <Mitnick> i have seen bino's source code , it detect by file name...i don't think it is a good idea
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  103. [06:25:55] <pari> hi any one tested hdmi 2.8.38 kernel
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  105. [06:26:50] <hitlin37_> what's new in 2.6.38 related to hdmi?
  106. [06:26:56] <pari> hi vikas
  107. [06:27:36] <pari> hitlin37 in that hdmi v4l2sink is not working
  108. [06:29:35] <hitlin37_> no idea
  109. [06:30:19] <av500> it works in .35
  110. [06:31:08] <pari> yes
  111. [06:31:15] <pari> av500 yes
  112. [06:31:48] <pari> but .38 is not working
  113. [06:32:23] <av500> yes
  114. [06:33:53] <pari> how to solve this hdmi for v4l2sink working on .38
  115. [06:33:59] <av500> look at .35
  116. [06:34:03] <av500> comapre to .38
  117. [06:34:06] <av500> compare
  118. [06:34:08] <av500> edit code
  119. [06:34:10] <av500> compile
  120. [06:34:12] <av500> test
  121. [06:34:16] <pari> ok
  122. [06:35:54] <Mitnick> av500: my god.The video is so terrible....it makes me faint......L0L
  123. [06:36:17] <av500> does it play?
  124. [06:36:52] <av500> with gst-ducati?
  125. [06:37:04] <pari> yes
  126. [06:37:17] <pari> it not working for gstreamer also
  127. [06:37:27] <av500> pari: ???
  128. [06:38:19] <Mitnick> av500: PC can play,but ducati failed..
  129. [06:38:24] <av500> ah
  130. [06:38:32] <Mitnick> av500:gst_ducati_viddec_chain:<ducatih264dec0> process returned error: -1 00408001
  131. [06:39:40] <hitlin37_> pari:there should be some hdmi messages in dmesg.no?
  132. [06:39:53] <hitlin37_> if it detected or not
  133. [06:40:17] <pari> yes
  134. [06:41:50] <LetoThe2nd> m??in
  135. [06:42:41] <hitlin37_> pari ,u can also enable hdmi_debug messges in kernel to see hdmi screen values
  136. [06:43:41] <av500> LetoThe2nd: yo
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  141. [06:59:07] <student> hitlin37 : i am using gingerbread version for panda, headphones are not able to play audio
  142. [07:02:03] <hitlin37_> is it not playing with default audio player?
  143. [07:03:38] <hitlin37_> it works fine in latest release
  144. [07:05:02] <Mitnick> av500: Where can i download videos encoding w/ vp6/7 ?
  145. [07:05:12] <av500> libav samples
  146. [07:05:22] <av500> i dont have any vp7
  147. [07:05:25] <student> hitilin37 : i am able to hear audio from hdmi only
  148. [07:05:26] <student> not through headphones
  149. [07:05:53] <av500> http://samples.libav.org/samples/V-codecs/VP7/
  150. [07:06:08] <Mitnick> av500:thx
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  152. [07:07:15] <av500> Mitnick: i havent hooked up vp6 and 7 yet
  153. [07:08:13] <av500> let see
  154. [07:13:40] <RoyK> morning
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  182. [09:20:28] * Topic is 'OMAP discussion & development on PandaBoard Platform | Site: http://www.PandaBoard.org | Paste @ http://pastebin.pandaboard.org/ |Wiki: http://www.omappedia.com/wiki/PandaBoard | IRC logs: http://www.pandaboard.org/pbirclogs/ | IRC Guide: http://tinyurl.com/ircsurvivalguide'
  183. [09:20:28] * Set by orbarron!~orb@nat/ti/x-ztoqabxrceydslsj on Mon Jun 06 15:00:29 UTC 2011
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  194. [10:09:35] <tech_chu> av500: when will rob be back
  195. [10:15:35] <student> ddoes panda board support audio over modem?
  196. [10:15:43] <phh> over modem ?
  197. [10:15:45] <phh> which modem ?
  198. [10:15:52] <av500> student: do you have a cron job to ask that?
  199. [10:16:14] <av500> tech_chu: he is in texas
  200. [10:20:36] <av500> Mitnick: ok, vp6+7 works
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  204. [10:45:10] <student> av500 : i tried various methods and finally asking here
  205. [10:48:55] <av500> yes, but what do you ask?
  206. [10:49:40] <student> what i want is can we record our call on modem?(talking and simultaneously recording the call)
  207. [10:51:07] <av500> on what modem?
  208. [10:53:40] <koen> nullmodem?
  209. [10:54:43] * kth (~kth@unaffiliated/kth) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
  210. [10:56:24] <jonand> I guess he means the mobile radio modem, like gsm/3g radio. typically referred to as the modem in the hand terminal world.
  211. [10:57:18] <jonand> the SoC (which runs android or similar) and the modem (which runs the gsm radio code)
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  213. [10:57:26] <jonand> but then again, I'm only guessing
  214. [10:57:28] <av500> jonand: yes, I guess that much
  215. [10:57:38] <student> it's a 3g modem
  216. [10:57:47] <av500> still shooting a question every 6hours in unlikely to get help
  217. [10:58:34] <jonand> so... which modem?
  218. [10:58:43] <jonand> we want part numbers!
  219. [10:59:30] <LetoThe2nd> no, we want money for nothing, and chicks for free.
  220. [11:00:56] <mru> the money for nothing part is fairly easy
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  222. [11:01:14] <av500> and clicks for free?
  223. [11:01:21] <mru> haven't figured that one out yet
  224. [11:03:15] <LetoThe2nd> av500: clicks is easy. take $randomcheappornpics, place them on $websitewithstupidpornname and advertise it.
  225. [11:04:19] * mru cleans glasses, notices difference between h and l
  226. [11:08:06] <tonu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It4AZ0LtIFY&feature=player_embedded our work
  227. [11:08:46] <koen> solidworks? pro/e?
  228. [11:09:07] <tonu> yep
  229. [11:09:18] <tonu> 2010 version something
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  233. [11:42:32] <RoyK> hm... for storage - is only one SD card supported?
  234. [11:44:12] <av500> you can connect more
  235. [11:44:13] <mru> iirc there's another mmc interface on the expansion header
  236. [11:44:21] <av500> see bamboo board
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  238. [11:53:11] <phh> av500: oh btw
  239. [11:53:12] <phh> av500: ping
  240. [11:53:41] <phh> (mplayer omx
  241. [11:55:04] <phh> )
  242. [11:55:42] <mru> that sounds painful
  243. [11:56:02] <phh> mru: ?
  244. [11:56:11] <mru> mplayer and omx at the same time
  245. [11:56:20] <mru> either one is bad enough on its own
  246. [11:56:28] <phh> .
  247. [11:56:40] <phh> omx is a great api
  248. [11:56:44] <phh> mplayer is a great app
  249. [11:56:46] <phh> imho
  250. [11:57:07] * mru checks calendar... yep, it's friday
  251. [11:57:15] <phh> lol
  252. [11:57:26] <phh> what's wrong with omx ?
  253. [11:57:42] <mru> what's *not* wrong with it?
  254. [11:58:12] <phh> everything
  255. [11:58:46] <mru> nice poker face
  256. [11:58:56] <phh> thanks
  257. [11:59:02] <phh> but sierously what do you dislike in it ?
  258. [11:59:08] <mru> everything
  259. [11:59:10] <phh> api is fairly simple, but still powerful
  260. [11:59:26] <mru> ok, you really are trolling
  261. [11:59:46] <koen> or drinking the kool aid
  262. [11:59:49] <aiju> hahahaha
  263. [12:00:00] <aiju> the good ol' "that software is not complicated"
  264. [12:00:16] <aiju> Windows NT is actually a very simple, consistent and orthogonal system
  265. [12:01:15] <phh> openmax is the only standard API for multimedia, and supported by all embedded systems that has hardware video decompressioni
  266. [12:01:26] <aiju> standard is a good bullshit trigger word
  267. [12:01:28] <mru> *everybody* hates it
  268. [12:01:37] <av500> indeed
  269. [12:01:39] <mru> both users and vendors
  270. [12:01:42] <phh> it can really easily binds with opengles/openvg
  271. [12:01:47] <av500> thats even proven by an industry wide survey
  272. [12:01:47] <phh> mru: not everybody
  273. [12:01:48] <phh> i like it
  274. [12:01:52] <phh> nvidia uses it everywhere
  275. [12:01:53] <phh> TI too
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  277. [12:02:02] <aiju> flies and shit
  278. [12:02:06] <koen> phh: talk to the TI engineers working with it, they hate it
  279. [12:02:10] <mru> TI only provides an omx wrapper because androids requires it
  280. [12:02:19] <koen> talk to the nokia people working with it, they hate it
  281. [12:02:25] <mru> TI, samsung, freescale, stericsson, nvidia, they all hate it
  282. [12:02:28] <phh> mru: ?
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  284. [12:02:30] <phh> android doesn't require it
  285. [12:02:31] <koen> talk to multimedia people working with it, they hate it
  286. [12:02:38] <av500> talk to me, I hate it
  287. [12:02:45] <phh> av500: you're multimedia people
  288. [12:02:56] <koen> talk to archos, they hate it
  289. [12:03:04] <phh> koen: archos is mixed about it.
  290. [12:03:09] <mru> it's one of those "standards" that so contorted everybody relies on vendor extensions to actually do anything with it
  291. [12:03:10] <av500> phh: lol
  292. [12:03:13] <phh> av500: :p
  293. [12:03:19] <av500> phh: you being an intern here :)
  294. [12:03:22] <aiju> no need for the quotes
  295. [12:03:25] <aiju> all standards are like that
  296. [12:03:34] <mru> not C99
  297. [12:03:35] <aiju> or they are perverted to begin with
  298. [12:03:38] <aiju> hahahaha
  299. [12:03:47] <aiju> i use extensions to C
  300. [12:03:53] <phh> mru: you can do demuxing, decoding, displaying/rendering audio without any extension
  301. [12:04:08] <mru> maybe, but nobody has yet figured out how
  302. [12:04:09] <av500> extension?
  303. [12:04:26] <phh> (ok i'm not sure about demuxing.)
  304. [12:04:48] <phh> mru: my mplayer omx has only one nvidia extension and that's to force output to hdmi ...
  305. [12:04:56] <av500> if you write a demuxer for X in Y, then yes you can demux X in Y
  306. [12:05:13] <mru> phh: does that code work on, say, a samsung chip?
  307. [12:05:27] <phh> mru: I want first to test on omap4, hence my av500 ping.
  308. [12:05:39] <av500> phh: send me the codes :)
  309. [12:05:46] <phh> av500: read your logs ? -_-'
  310. [12:05:51] <av500> and tell me the exact steps
  311. [12:06:00] <koen> I know TI's OMX has a special TI lib next to it
  312. [12:06:08] <koen> without it OMX doesn't work
  313. [12:06:16] <phh> koen: like you mean, the OMX implementation ?
  314. [12:06:23] <koen> no
  315. [12:06:47] <koen> the NPA or whatever it's called
  316. [12:06:55] <koen> that's why we call it TI-OMX, not OMX
  317. [12:07:04] <phh> i've built and written OpenMAX (ok it was for camera) ...
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  319. [12:08:45] <av500> phh: you worked on a small subset
  320. [12:08:52] <phh> i know
  321. [12:09:12] <phh> av500: still, i built the whole ti omx lib
  322. [12:09:26] <phh> there is no such thing like npa needed
  323. [12:10:10] <phh> and there are many deps, but well, they are deps of omx implementation itself, not of the omx client
  324. [12:10:45] * botao_sun (~botao_sun@linaro/botao-sun) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
  325. [12:10:59] <phh> mru: but you can tell vlc and xbmc guys that their openmax support is stupid and doesn't work on any board but their own ones
  326. [12:11:25] <mru> as I said, omx is very vendor-specific
  327. [12:11:35] <mru> what works on one system probably doesn't work on another
  328. [12:11:47] <av500> see the "quirks" in stagefright
  329. [12:11:50] <phh> so go tell them it works only on their own boards
  330. [12:12:06] <mru> the khronos people should stick to opengl and stop meddling with things they don't understand
  331. [12:12:21] <mru> phh: I don't care about omx support
  332. [12:12:27] <av500> omx should describe an api to codecs, not to a decoder component
  333. [12:12:34] <aiju> is there a memory map for the pandaboard?
  334. [12:12:38] <av500> create/set_parms/process/close
  335. [12:12:42] <av500> no threads
  336. [12:12:45] <av500> no callback
  337. [12:12:52] <av500> not randum structs
  338. [12:13:01] <av500> aiju: the TRM
  339. [12:13:24] <phh> and you block the main thread just to do hardware decode
  340. [12:13:25] <av500> and let another layer handle how and when to call the code
  341. [12:13:29] <av500> no
  342. [12:13:34] <av500> take e.g. omx and gst
  343. [12:13:40] <av500> you end up with 2 threads for one code
  344. [12:13:42] <av500> you end up with 2 threads for one codec
  345. [12:13:46] <av500> one in omx and one in gst
  346. [12:13:49] <aiju> av500: where do i get the TRM?
  347. [12:13:57] <phh> you mean that gst does the same thing ?
  348. [12:14:01] <av500> yes
  349. [12:14:06] <av500> omx is 50% of gst
  350. [12:14:09] <av500> buffer management
  351. [12:14:11] <av500> callback
  352. [12:14:13] <av500> threads
  353. [12:14:17] <av500> component states
  354. [12:14:26] <av500> or gst is 50% of omx
  355. [12:14:45] <mru> or replace gst with any other framework
  356. [12:14:51] <mru> same problem
  357. [12:14:51] <av500> omx should be at the same level as CE or lavc
  358. [12:14:58] <av500> a way to call a decoder
  359. [12:15:06] <av500> then the next layer handles the timing/blocking
  360. [12:15:09] <av500> etc..
  361. [12:15:25] <av500> a codec should never need a thread
  362. [12:15:42] <av500> why tf should I set a param to a codec while it is decoding=
  363. [12:15:44] <av500> ?
  364. [12:16:38] <phh> av500: omx is meant to be a standard gst ...
  365. [12:16:54] <av500> well, then it misses the other 50%
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  367. [12:17:22] <phh> like ?
  368. [12:17:32] <av500> demuxing
  369. [12:17:35] <av500> rtsp :)
  370. [12:17:40] <phh> it does demuxing
  371. [12:17:48] <av500> on android?
  372. [12:17:50] <mru> the rest of the damn app
  373. [12:17:57] <phh> mmm tegra's omx does rtsp, but i'm not sure it's standard
  374. [12:18:00] <phh> av500: who cares about android ?
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  376. [12:18:08] <mru> android is not standard omx
  377. [12:18:12] <av500> phh: yes, I am sure on openmoko its nice
  378. [12:18:12] <mru> it's android omx
  379. [12:18:26] <mru> and a lot of people do care about android
  380. [12:18:32] <phh> okay, if you want to say that android sucks, i'm ok with you, and we just stop there
  381. [12:18:45] <av500> no, we discuss omx :)
  382. [12:19:07] <mru> android uses special omx because standard omx is incomplete and/or unusable
  383. [12:20:28] <aiju> so, where do i get the TRM?
  384. [12:20:35] <av500> did you google for it?
  385. [12:20:56] <aiju> oh wow
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  387. [12:21:03] <aiju> i remember doing that recently and not getting any results
  388. [12:21:10] <aiju> odd
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  390. [12:21:14] <av500> omap4 trm
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  392. [12:24:29] <stir> any help with this?? http://groups.google.com/group/pandaboard/browse_thread/thread/dfc2208b1075efd3#
  393. [12:24:38] <aiju> haha
  394. [12:24:45] <aiju> pandaboard address space is divided into four 1 GB areas
  395. [12:24:48] <aiju> VAX, is that you?
  396. [12:31:32] <stir> Mitnick: yes
  397. [12:31:55] <aiju> is the RAM on the pandaboard in one or two modules?
  398. [12:33:00] <stir> Mitnick: are saying that interfacing stereo camera wit ISS is difficult (J17 header of pandaboard)
  399. [12:33:20] <stir> or 3d processing is difficult?
  400. [12:35:38] <stir> Mitnick: ok, any ideas j17 header of pandaboard have the required pins for the dual camera support?
  401. [12:37:31] <av500> check the schematics
  402. [12:37:40] <tonu> http://www.flickr.com/photos/linux-works/2618014599/
  403. [12:37:48] <stir> i meant whether required pins exposed to j17 header of pandaboard?? i could not map the pins in the pandaboard system reference and that in trm?
  404. [12:37:49] <tonu> unnamed nation makes such stuff
  405. [12:38:45] <av500> stir: then look at the schematics
  406. [12:38:58] <av500> they show pins on J17 and pins on the CPU
  407. [12:39:03] <av500> what else do you need?
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  410. [12:40:25] <stir> Mitnick: ok thanks pls reply when u r able to
  411. [12:40:30] <stir> av500: oh ok header pin names not same as processor pin names i will check
  412. [12:41:31] <tonu> "no no no, they're not fake; they're just DOUBLE SHIELDED caps. yeah, that's right! extra EMI protection!!"
  413. [12:41:39] <stir> Mitnick: i have the question posted here http://groups.google.com/group/pandaboard/browse_thread/thread/dfc2208b1075efd3#
  414. [12:41:45] <stir> :)
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  418. [12:57:41] <aiju> i still haven't figured out out what the lights on the pandaboard mean
  419. [12:57:50] <aiju> some modern form of blinkenlights?
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  422. [13:03:00] <tonu> aiju: have you tried readin manual?
  423. [13:03:36] <aiju> well, they are bound to some GPIO
  424. [13:04:21] <tonu> one of them is tied to overvoltage circuit
  425. [13:04:29] <tonu> one is GPIO for sure
  426. [13:04:33] <aiju> two are GPIO
  427. [13:04:37] <tonu> and one was GPIO or power led
  428. [13:04:45] <tonu> unsure if software or hardware way
  429. [13:05:18] <tonu> anyway linux kernel blinks one GPIO and I think in some how related to computer load
  430. [13:05:34] <aiju> not running linux on it
  431. [13:05:42] <aiju> currently just uboot, lol
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  433. [13:06:21] <tonu> for me they are just indicators to show if board is alive or busy or ...
  434. [13:06:30] <tonu> pandaboard is much more than just few leds
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  439. [13:24:42] <RoyK> hm... so nothing like SATA available for the wee panda?
  440. [13:25:01] <mru> no
  441. [13:25:05] <mru> it's a phone chip
  442. [13:25:10] <mru> phones don't have hard drives
  443. [13:25:20] <aiju> general purpose hardware?
  444. [13:25:23] <aiju> are you on crack?
  445. [13:25:35] <mru> wtf
  446. [13:26:13] * aiju is being ironic
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  448. [13:28:47] <aiju> what's the syntax for a store with GNU assembler for ARM?
  449. [13:28:59] * aiju is more fluent in raw PDP-11 machine code than in GNU assembler
  450. [13:30:18] <mru> gnu assembler understands standard arm ual syntax
  451. [13:30:56] <aiju> so how does a store look like?
  452. [13:31:02] <mru> so the syntax for a store is the same as with any other arm assembler
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  454. [13:31:29] <mru> how can you be trying to write asm without knowing what a store instruction looks like?
  455. [13:32:03] <aiju> MOVL (R0), R1
  456. [13:32:08] <aiju> ehm, MOVL R1, (R0)
  457. [13:32:21] <aiju> there are multiple assemblers ...
  458. [13:32:41] <mru> no arm assembler uses such syntax
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  460. [13:33:07] <aiju> yes
  461. [13:33:26] <mru> yes what?
  462. [13:33:28] <aiju> 5a, used on Plan 9 and for Go, uses exactly that syntax
  463. [13:33:43] <mru> yet another reason to give plan9 the finger
  464. [13:33:47] <aiju> hahaha
  465. [13:33:49] <aiju> fuck off
  466. [13:33:55] <mru> no *sane* assembler uses that syntax then
  467. [13:34:02] <mru> plan9 doesn't even have a c compiler
  468. [13:34:09] <aiju> of course it does
  469. [13:34:12] <aiju> it's almost only C
  470. [13:36:48] <mru> the native compiler doesn't implement the full C language
  471. [13:36:54] <mru> important things like #if are missing
  472. [13:37:00] <aiju> huh?
  473. [13:37:06] <mru> I'm not making this up
  474. [13:37:08] <aiju> there is an option to enable #if
  475. [13:37:12] <mru> it has only #ifdef
  476. [13:37:15] <aiju> and it does implement full C89
  477. [13:37:28] <mru> C99 came out only 12 years ago
  478. [13:37:35] <aiju> it implements C99 in parts
  479. [13:37:57] <mru> of course it does, C89 is largely a subset of C99
  480. [13:38:03] <aiju> god
  481. [13:38:05] <aiju> stop trolling
  482. [13:38:13] <aiju> i'm trying to get work done
  483. [13:38:23] <mru> plan9 is a nothing but a silly toy
  484. [13:38:29] <aiju> you are nothing but a silly idiot
  485. [13:38:49] <tonu> aiju: please stop
  486. [13:39:06] <mru> it's funny how fans of bad things get so insulted when their object of worship is criticised
  487. [13:39:29] <aiju> i just get pissed of by the trolls
  488. [13:39:52] <mru> whereas those who prefer something solid are often able to discuss its (inevitable) weaknesses without using ad hominem attacks
  489. [13:41:49] <aiju> i just got bored with these weird arguments and people who can't live without complexity all over the system
  490. [13:41:54] <aiju> i mean, no XML? how could such a system be any good?
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  492. [13:42:18] <_av500_> no xml is good
  493. [13:42:25] <aiju> plan 9 has real weaknesses
  494. [13:42:27] <aiju> it's not perfect
  495. [13:42:31] <mru> xml is the devil
  496. [13:42:40] <aiju> but people are just so silly about retarded crap
  497. [13:42:43] <alekibango> devil? did you see soap?
  498. [13:42:43] <aiju> it's infinitely annoying
  499. [13:42:44] <alekibango> :)
  500. [13:42:47] <_av500_> hmm, its friday
  501. [13:42:58] <aiju> like, e.g., #if
  502. [13:43:04] <_av500_> "socialism has real weaknesses" "its not perfect"
  503. [13:43:18] <aiju> there is a preprocessor if you need #if
  504. [13:43:35] <_av500_> a prepreprocessor?
  505. [13:43:44] <mru> you can use gcc of course
  506. [13:43:48] <mru> but that's beside the point
  507. [13:44:07] <aiju> #if is generally a bad idea
  508. [13:44:10] <aiju> that's why it was left out
  509. [13:44:23] <mru> you can't just pick and choose the parts of a spec that you like
  510. [13:44:26] <mru> and #if has its uses
  511. [13:44:39] <aiju> sure you can
  512. [13:44:57] <mru> of course you *can*, but don't expect anyone to like you if you do
  513. [13:44:59] <_av500_> mru: that is called "implementing" it :)
  514. [13:45:46] <mru> what really bothers me about plan9 is the attitude of superiority exhibited by people involved
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  517. [13:46:14] <aiju> "i don't use openbsd because i think theo de raadt is a jerk"
  518. [13:46:16] <aiju> in that direction?
  519. [13:46:43] <mru> no, more the "everything you do sucks, you just don't realise it"
  520. [13:47:03] <aiju> i don't think i have, ever, seen an OS where people don't think like that
  521. [13:47:04] <mru> like "command history in shells is unnecessary"
  522. [13:47:13] <mru> "mouse is actually better than keyboard shortcuts"
  523. [13:48:59] <aiju> seems to me just like vim users
  524. [13:49:01] <aiju> except reversed
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  526. [13:49:42] <mru> there's a reason I prefer emacs
  527. [13:49:55] <aiju> no need for an OS?
  528. [13:49:59] <mru> but those are editors, not shells
  529. [13:50:23] <_av500_> aiju: emacs is the os
  530. [13:50:39] <mru> I find it invaluable that the terminal keeps an accurate log of exactly what I've been doing
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  532. [13:50:48] <mru> the plan9 terminal/shell completely breaks that
  533. [13:51:11] <aiju> you can always scroll up
  534. [13:52:05] <_av500_> bs
  535. [13:52:05] <mru> but since it lets you edit previous commands and their output, it's no longer an accurate record
  536. [13:52:18] <aiju> don't do that then
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  538. [13:52:31] <kfx> maybe that's why the IRS doesn't use it
  539. [13:52:32] <mru> but that's the only way to rerun a command with a slight change
  540. [13:52:48] <aiju> change it, double-click, send
  541. [13:53:38] <mru> but it's the change part I object to
  542. [13:53:54] <mru> the terminal should contain an immutable log of what's been going on
  543. [13:53:57] <kfx> computers should not be allowed to manipulate text
  544. [13:54:12] <kfx> programs like 'clear' should be removed from workstations
  545. [13:54:18] <kfx> 'clear' is like lying
  546. [13:54:22] <mru> +1
  547. [13:54:39] <LetoThe2nd> yay friday.
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  549. [13:54:44] <LetoThe2nd> or is it fryday?
  550. [13:54:53] <kfx> I mean, if I append some text to a file
  551. [13:54:59] <kfx> I need that to be in my shell history
  552. [13:55:14] <kfx> otherwise when I cat the file, the computer can't reconstruct what it's supposed to output
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  554. [13:57:08] <hitlin37_> http://xkcd.com/378/
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  558. [13:59:47] <mru> now plan9 does have some interesting ideas too
  559. [13:59:56] <mru> some of which have been taken up by real OSes
  560. [14:00:07] <kfx> wait
  561. [14:00:11] <kfx> plan 9 isn't a real os?
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  563. [14:00:12] <wmat> mru: didn't Plan9 get forked recently
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  568. [14:00:41] <mru> but when someone comes and tells me I don't actually need some feature, it just annoys me
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  570. [14:00:56] <mru> who are they to say what I should need or like?
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  572. [14:01:11] <mru> it's like steve jobs but without the massive following
  573. [14:01:26] <kfx> I don't understand what you're saying
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  575. [14:01:29] <mru> gnome people also do that
  576. [14:01:38] <kfx> are you saying someone has stopped you from running sh on plan 9?
  577. [14:01:39] <mru> "you don't need those buttons"
  578. [14:01:43] <cinap_lenrek> i hate gnome people
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  586. [14:02:05] <mru> kfx: there are various hacks to run normal software on plan9, yes
  587. [14:02:14] <kfx> so what's the problem?
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  589. [14:02:19] <kfx> you don't like the default configuration?
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  592. [14:02:32] <mru> I don't like the defaults, and I don't like the attitude
  593. [14:02:41] <mru> oh, and it's a f*cking single-user system
  594. [14:02:44] <cinap_lenrek> i dont like gnome people
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  596. [14:02:51] <kfx> mru: no it isn't
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  598. [14:03:03] <kfx> plan 9 has a very robust user system
  599. [14:03:15] <cinap_lenrek> and no gnome people
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  601. [14:03:22] <mru> so robust you can only be one user at a time, yes
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  603. [14:03:32] <kfx> mru: I'm starting to wonder if you've really ever used plan 9
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  605. [14:03:40] <mru> I tried it for a few hours
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  607. [14:03:45] <aiju> mru seems to be confusing Plan 9 and DOS
  608. [14:03:45] <kfx> so no then
  609. [14:03:58] <mru> it was so painful I couldn't see any point in continuing
  610. [14:04:05] <kfx> oh
  611. [14:04:12] <kfx> you're unwilling to learn new things. I see
  612. [14:04:20] <kfx> is everyone in here like you?
  613. [14:04:27] <mru> I'm unwilling to accept dogma handed down from above, yes
  614. [14:04:29] <kfx> because that's not going to be very helpful to me
  615. [14:04:36] <kfx> what dogma was handed down to you?
  616. [14:04:54] <mru> "plan9 is the one true way, everything else is bullshit"
  617. [14:05:00] <kfx> uh
  618. [14:05:07] <kfx> well when you're running plan 9 that is kind of the case yes
  619. [14:05:21] <cinap_lenrek> i hate linux
  620. [14:05:22] <kfx> it would be silly to do things, say, the haiku-os way on plan 9
  621. [14:05:27] <kfx> counterproductive, even
  622. [14:05:29] <cinap_lenrek> it dictates that i cant use C: as path name
  623. [14:05:30] <mru> also very poor interoperability with other systems kind of sucks
  624. [14:05:43] <aiju> Plan 9 has better interoperability with Windows than Linux
  625. [14:05:43] <kfx> mru: what interoperability problems did you have?
  626. [14:05:45] <aiju> in my experience
  627. [14:05:53] <mru> kfx: just about anything network related
  628. [14:05:59] <mru> like where's the nfs client?
  629. [14:06:03] <aiju> nfs(4)
  630. [14:06:04] <mru> or ssh
  631. [14:06:13] <aiju> ssh(1), openssh(1), scpu(1)
  632. [14:06:14] <kfx> both of those are available
  633. [14:06:15] <aiju> there are three
  634. [14:06:20] <mru> sshd?
  635. [14:06:32] <kfx> sshd is the wrong tool to log in with you see
  636. [14:06:40] <kfx> because it limits what you can take advantage of
  637. [14:06:40] <mru> there it is again
  638. [14:06:40] <aiju> there is an sshd for V1
  639. [14:06:49] <kfx> mru: please don't misunderstand
  640. [14:06:55] <kfx> it's not that sshd is not available
  641. [14:07:07] <kfx> but if you use it you're missing out on much of the advantages that plan 9 offers
  642. [14:07:17] <aiju> mru's problem with Plan 9 seems to be that he can't pretend he's actually running Linux
  643. [14:07:35] <mru> it doesn't interoperate well with unix systems
  644. [14:07:42] <kfx> if you relegate yourself to UNIX tools on plan 9, you wind up with a system that isn't quite as good as either UNIX or plan 9
  645. [14:07:43] <mru> if all the world ran plan9 maybe it would be ok
  646. [14:07:47] <kfx> mru: yes, it does very well
  647. [14:07:56] <kfx> you just have to be open to other methods of connecting to computers
  648. [14:08:08] <mru> but then none of my existing tools work
  649. [14:08:13] <kfx> yes, they do
  650. [14:08:19] <kfx> they just work in different ways
  651. [14:08:28] <mru> I'm not going to spend the next 20 years replacing everything with a slightly different plan9 version
  652. [14:08:32] <kfx> listen, I came in here to ask about hardware but now I'm sitting here lecturing a child about not being an idiot
  653. [14:08:43] <kfx> I've got better things to do. good luck with your crippled intellect
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  655. [14:08:45] <mru> there's that attitude again
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  657. [14:09:34] <_av500_> he asked a bout hardware?
  658. [14:09:42] <_av500_> not in my log
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  660. [14:11:15] <mru> all I saw was lecturing
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  662. [14:13:06] <tech_chu> robclark: Hi
  663. [14:13:30] <tech_chu> sorry couldn't come back yesterday after dinner
  664. [14:13:39] <tech_chu> av500: Hi
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  666. [14:16:12] <tech_chu> will Log2MaxFrameNumMinus4 of IH264VENC_Params struct effects any distortion ..i have kept 5
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  668. [14:17:15] <robclark> hi tech_chu.. I am 99% sure the corruption you are seeing is bitstream corruption, nothing to do w/ # of frames
  669. [14:17:40] <robclark> there must be some timing difference, or qos, or something, that results in loss of some parts of the bitstream
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  671. [14:18:12] <robclark> the way the corruption looks, and the fact that you are getting extendedError values back from codec indicating bitstream corruption tell me the problem is on the input, not on the output
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  673. [14:20:22] <_av500_> tech_chu: write the bistream as you decode it
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  675. [14:20:34] <_av500_> write( dump_fd, data, size );
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  677. [14:22:07] <topi`> hi. I finally, after 2 months of waiting, got my panda! is there any way to power it via USB +5V ?
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  679. [14:22:19] <aiju> topi`: yes
  680. [14:22:21] <aiju> with varying results
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  682. [14:22:38] <topi`> aiju: I suppose the board takes more than 500 mA occasionally?
  683. [14:22:41] <robclark> yeah, what _av500_ suggests is probably best approach.. somehow the behavior is different w/ live decoding vs filesink
  684. [14:23:01] <_av500_> yes and no
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  686. [14:23:24] <_av500_> topi`: yes
  687. [14:23:52] <topi`> any bits that could help shutting down unnecessary blocks? (like DSP and video)
  688. [14:24:10] <_av500_> sure
  689. [14:24:28] <topi`> of course, while the kernel is just about to start, there is not many possibilities to start on powersaving
  690. [14:24:40] <topi`> unless done already in U-Boot
  691. [14:24:42] <aiju> topi`: 1. get a power supply 2. problem solved ;P
  692. [14:25:06] <topi`> aiju, I agree that a good adjustable power supply would be a nice item :) unfortunately, right now, can't access one
  693. [14:25:21] <aiju> adjustable? $10 off the shelf 5V supply
  694. [14:25:27] <_av500_> adjustable is not good
  695. [14:25:38] <topi`> for various electronics projects, it would be good
  696. [14:25:55] <aiju> i have a 50 year old adjustable supply, heh
  697. [14:25:58] <_av500_> topi`: usea stock usb hub power supply
  698. [14:26:05] <_av500_> 2A
  699. [14:26:23] <robclark> fwiw tech_chu, av500, twi mentioned that he sees similar distortion by putting an 'identity drop-probability=0.1' in the pipeline before the decoder.. further evidence that the issue is bitstream
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  703. [14:31:09] <topi`> so it's the USB OTG port that takes in usb +5V for powering the panda?
  704. [14:31:33] <topi`> hints for it in pandaboard online material, but no concrete word :)
  705. [14:32:26] <aiju> topi`: the small port
  706. [14:32:31] <_av500_> topi`: power it from the dc-in
  707. [14:32:44] <dm8tbr> _av500_++
  708. [14:32:45] <topi`> av500: I just need to find out if it's alive or not
  709. [14:32:59] <dm8tbr> you won't with usb power
  710. [14:33:15] <_av500_> it is not, it is an inanimate piece of hardware
  711. [14:34:39] <topi`> ok, I get nothing on the serial port, but the D1 led does light up.
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  713. [14:34:47] <topi`> maybe it's time to go shopping for a +5V
  714. [14:34:51] <aiju> topi`: you only get something on the serial port if you run the MLO
  715. [14:35:16] <topi`> so nothing flashed on by default, like when my Beagle shipped?
  716. [14:35:27] <aiju> there is only a fixed ROM which loads the MLO
  717. [14:35:38] <aiju> and doesn't print anything on serial
  718. [14:35:40] <topi`> ok, so I need to buy a SD card and put the MLO on it
  719. [14:35:52] <aiju> get the 5V supply while you're at it
  720. [14:35:53] <topi`> are there limitations on the MLO card size? it used to be lmited to 2 GB
  721. [14:35:58] <_av500_> no nand
  722. [14:35:58] <topi`> in OMAP3 and older
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  732. [14:36:21] <topi`> I want to buy a 8 GB SDHC card, but is it ok for MLO?
  733. [14:36:22] <aiju> topi`: i run it with 4 GB jujst fine
  734. [14:36:43] <topi`> ok then it must be a SDHC, since you can't address >2GB without SDHC
  735. [14:36:52] <_av500_> mlo will fit on an 8mb card
  736. [14:37:02] <topi`> can't find any 8 mb cards :(
  737. [14:37:16] <aiju> i think i have an 8 MB card around .. but it's for gamecube
  738. [14:37:23] <topi`> and the price diff between 4GB and 8GB is negligible
  739. [14:37:35] <aiju> 4 GB is 6??? these days
  740. [14:37:36] <aiju> amazing
  741. [14:37:47] <_av500_> price of a floppy
  742. [14:37:51] <aiju> haha
  743. [14:38:02] <aiju> were they ever that expensive?
  744. [14:38:07] <_av500_> yes
  745. [14:38:11] <aiju> hahaha
  746. [14:38:32] <aiju> i have only worked with 3??" 1.44 MB ones
  747. [14:38:33] <topi`> I remember paying my whole weekly allowance for one (1) 5 1/4" floppy
  748. [14:38:35] <aiju> which were already cheap back then
  749. [14:38:46] <topi`> which was formatted at something like < 200KB on the C64
  750. [14:38:52] <_av500_> topi`: yup
  751. [14:38:57] <aiju> i got a C64 for 13???, haha
  752. [14:39:03] <aiju> with floppy drive and floppies
  753. [14:39:19] <topi`> without the C64 (and it's shitty basic) I probably would never have taken up assembler coding :)
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  755. [14:39:22] <topi`> praise the C64 ! :)
  756. [14:39:53] <_av500_> sys 64738
  757. [14:39:55] <aiju> haha
  758. [14:40:03] <aiju> there is no such thing as non-shitty basic
  759. [14:40:10] <_av500_> poke 53280,0 poke53281,0
  760. [14:40:16] <_av500_> there, nice colors
  761. [14:40:55] <robclark> that brings back memories
  762. [14:41:02] <mru> aiju: you're just not open to different ways of thinking
  763. [14:41:18] <aiju> huh?
  764. [14:43:57] * robclark wouldn't have expected to hear mru speak up in defense of basic :-P
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  780. [15:01:34] <tech_chu> robclark: i guess my encoder settings need to be looked on
  781. [15:01:42] <tech_chu> for the distortion
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  783. [15:03:57] <tech_chu> hi
  784. [15:04:08] <tech_chu> sorry got disc
  785. [15:04:41] <tech_chu> av500: hi
  786. [15:04:47] <tech_chu> what is identity drop-probability=0.1
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  790. [15:14:07] <topi`> ok, now I have a class 6 8GB sdhc card from transcend
  791. [15:14:15] <topi`> let's see how it works for MLO
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  796. [15:20:25] <topi`> I noticed I have the Pandaboard rev. A2 ...what's the difference to A1?
  797. [15:24:23] <skorgon> topi`, http://pandaboard.org/content/resources/references
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  801. [15:28:30] <topi`> is it necessary to format the boot partition into FAT32 like the wiki says, or can it boot from FAT16 like with good old Beagleboard?
  802. [15:28:45] <aiju> the loader is very bithcy about partitioning
  803. [15:29:02] <aiju> i didn't even manage to get it right yet :\, i just copied the ubuntu image and overwrote the files
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  807. [15:39:32] <topi`> hmm, I still get nothing in the serial port...
  808. [15:39:33] <topi`> odd
  809. [15:39:44] <aiju> topi`: have you tried the ubuntu image?
  810. [15:39:46] <topi`> what's the default baud for the u-boot image?
  811. [15:39:49] <aiju> as i said, i had the exactly same image
  812. [15:39:52] <aiju> topi`: 115200 8N1
  813. [15:39:53] <topi`> aiju, no, the Angstrom image
  814. [15:42:27] <topi`> maybe my mkfs.vfat just isn't valid enough for the rom :/
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  820. [15:55:46] <mru> topi`: nonsense
  821. [15:56:01] <mru> mkfs.vfat works fine if the partition size is an even number of sectors
  822. [15:59:53] <robclark> tech_chu, 'identity' is a gstreamer element that is normally straight pass-thru.. but it can be configured to randomly drop data or corrupt data (ie. for robustness testing)
  823. [16:00:24] <av500> taking "identity" to a new level :)
  824. [16:00:28] <topi`> mru: all right. but I now followed the wiki instructions literally, and calculated new geometry for mmcblk0 ;)
  825. [16:00:36] <aiju> hahahahaa
  826. [16:00:37] <topi`> let's see if it likes the fat32 now
  827. [16:00:39] <aiju> that's GNU identity
  828. [16:00:56] <av500> topi`: pastebin fdisk x p
  829. [16:01:24] <mru> robclark: normal people call such things "error injection"
  830. [16:01:47] <robclark> mru, yup, that is exactly what it is
  831. [16:01:53] <topi`> has anyone encountered this "fdisk did not clear the first few bytes of disk" bug? it sounds strange to me
  832. [16:02:18] <mru> robclark: so why not call it by its proper name instead of something based on a degenerate configuration nobody would ever use?
  833. [16:02:21] <av500> fdisk does not clear the 1st few bytes
  834. [16:02:29] <av500> the partition table starts a 448
  835. [16:02:59] <robclark> mru, dunno, I didn't write that gst element
  836. [16:03:05] <topi`> is it a problem for rom loader?
  837. [16:03:18] <mru> no
  838. [16:03:40] <robclark> although it has other debug purposes beyond just error injection
  839. [16:03:41] <topi`> good
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  841. [16:06:27] <topi`> av500: http://pastebin.ca/2078550
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  844. [16:11:58] <mru> topi`: well, you managed to screw up
  845. [16:12:36] <topi`> interesting, now the leds blink in a different way than previously. first, D2 lights up for 3 secs, then D1 lights up for a microsecond and both go off
  846. [16:12:46] <mru> you should follow the advice fdisk gives you and use sector mode
  847. [16:12:54] <mru> not the silly chs mode
  848. [16:12:58] <topi`> I just followed the silly wiki :/
  849. [16:13:02] <aiju> CHS mode is one true mdoe
  850. [16:13:07] <mru> that was your first mistake
  851. [16:13:16] <av500> aiju: on plan9?
  852. [16:13:29] <aiju> haha
  853. [16:13:47] <aiju> it's like the ??.s.d. system
  854. [16:14:14] <topi`> ok, so I can't boot this bloody thing :/ maybe I'll just try downloading a bloody image of the whole SD card
  855. [16:14:21] <mru> aiju: what's the equivalent of the guinea?
  856. [16:14:32] <aiju> mru: 1??.1s.
  857. [16:14:32] <av500> topi`: fsck.msdos -v /dev/mmcblk0p1
  858. [16:14:36] <mru> topi`: blank the first sector of that card and start over?
  859. [16:14:45] <mru> aiju: I know that, but what's the hard drive equivalent?
  860. [16:14:52] <aiju> haha
  861. [16:14:55] <topi`> ok, let's see
  862. [16:15:01] <aiju> the mebibyte or something
  863. [16:15:38] <topi`> (i'm using a Genesi EfikaMX as my host machine, and it's painfully slow:)
  864. [16:15:56] <av500> yes, I saw that
  865. [16:16:54] <topi`> av500: fsck.msdos doesn't give any clue whatsoever is wrong with that
  866. [16:17:03] <av500> pastebin the output
  867. [16:17:09] <av500> and pastebin fdisk x p as I asked
  868. [16:17:17] <topi`> oh, sorry
  869. [16:17:26] <mru> the already pasted bin shows it's bad
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  871. [16:17:56] <mru> it has 9*16065 sectors in the partition
  872. [16:18:13] <mru> so start over, it's the easiest way
  873. [16:18:26] <mru> dd if=/dev/zero count=1 of=/dev/mmcblk0
  874. [16:18:36] <topi`> av500: http://pastebin.ca/2078551
  875. [16:18:48] <av500> mru: no
  876. [16:18:53] <av500> 1 80 1 1 0 254 63 8 63 144522 0c
  877. [16:19:23] <mru> then one of the pastes is wrong
  878. [16:19:28] <mru> or he did something in between
  879. [16:19:41] <topi`> nothing in between. well, go figure..
  880. [16:19:47] <av500> 72261 * 2 = 144522
  881. [16:19:55] <av500> for odd, fdisk puts a little "+"
  882. [16:19:56] <mru> yes...
  883. [16:20:05] <av500> 72261+ would be 144523
  884. [16:20:09] <mru> and what's the "Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes" then?
  885. [16:20:11] <mru> is that a lie?
  886. [16:20:15] <av500> no
  887. [16:20:24] <mru> so start 1 or end 9 is a lie?
  888. [16:20:58] <av500> mru: start: head 1, sec 1, cyl 0
  889. [16:21:06] <av500> end: hd 0, sec0, cyl 9
  890. [16:21:16] <av500> thats not 9 *full* cylinders
  891. [16:21:16] <mru> I thought the + meant the end wasn't on a "cylinder" boundary
  892. [16:21:21] <av500> no
  893. [16:21:29] <av500> i think it means "odd"
  894. [16:21:30] <mru> gah
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  896. [16:21:35] <av500> :)
  897. [16:21:37] <mru> the whole chs thing sucks
  898. [16:21:46] <av500> tell that to the 80s
  899. [16:21:54] <aiju> that's what happens when IBM comes
  900. [16:21:57] <mru> well, the 80s sucked
  901. [16:22:07] <aiju> i think CHS was out of date in the 80s already
  902. [16:22:08] <av500> btw, they just called me on the cell and they are laughing
  903. [16:22:15] <av500> nah
  904. [16:22:30] <av500> that was hte time when BIOS has hardcoded 47 drive types :)
  905. [16:23:07] <aiju> ah yes
  906. [16:23:15] <aiju> there have been PC hard disks which actually used CHS
  907. [16:23:23] <av500> i never used any of them excpet "custom"
  908. [16:24:57] <topi`> does anyone know how to interpret the leds flashing?
  909. [16:25:20] <topi`> originally I got the D2 to stay on forever, now it goes off after D1 blinks
  910. [16:25:30] <nhg> anyone running multiple OSs on panda/beagle XM?
  911. [16:25:43] <av500> topi`: the best way to interpret them is to read the serial log messages
  912. [16:25:44] <aiju> nhg: you mean, simultaneously?
  913. [16:25:50] <nhg> yes
  914. [16:26:21] <aiju> qemu? :)
  915. [16:26:26] <av500> I run bionic and uclibc at the same time, does that count?
  916. [16:26:33] <av500> and angry birds
  917. [16:26:56] <nhg> something more like this: http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/products/aios.htm
  918. [16:27:20] <av500> nhg: thats a nigerian scam site, dont sent money!!!! :)
  919. [16:27:23] <topi`> ok, this led dance happens when I insert the SD card.
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  923. [16:27:34] <av500> topi`: connect the serial
  924. [16:27:41] <topi`> av500: I get absolutely nothing on the serial. I am starting to doubt whether this stupid usb-rs232 converter works or not.
  925. [16:27:48] <topi`> it's a PL2303
  926. [16:27:51] <av500> topi`: short 2 and 3
  927. [16:27:52] <nhg> I wonder if he has Gfx acceleration for those multiple OSs
  928. [16:27:55] <av500> oh, horific
  929. [16:27:59] <av500> no, it does not work
  930. [16:28:07] <av500> nhg: no he has not
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  932. [16:28:18] <av500> only for one
  933. [16:29:34] <topi`> I am clueless. obviously the ROM code is running, since the leds react when I insert the SD card. however, I get nothing to the rs232. is there some magical jumper somewhere?
  934. [16:30:02] <topi`> it just sucks that I don't have JTAG equipment :/
  935. [16:30:02] <av500> the rom code does not touch the leds
  936. [16:30:15] <topi`> so it's either MLO or uboot?
  937. [16:30:15] <av500> topi`: short 2 and 3 on the prolific
  938. [16:30:19] <aiju> topi`: both
  939. [16:30:31] <av500> topi`: check the serial for loopback
  940. [16:30:36] <av500> and remove the nullmodem cable
  941. [16:30:42] <topi`> av500: ah, you meant loopback )
  942. [16:30:49] <topi`> I was thinking that 3 was GND, but no
  943. [16:30:50] <av500> no, loopback
  944. [16:30:55] <aiju> 5 is GND iirc
  945. [16:30:58] <av500> yes
  946. [16:30:59] <topi`> 7
  947. [16:31:01] <av500> nah
  948. [16:32:55] <topi`> ok, shorting 2&3 does give me my chars back in minicom
  949. [16:33:04] <topi`> so pl2303 is not the one to blame, unfortunately
  950. [16:33:17] <aiju> topi`: have you tried an image?
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  952. [16:33:22] <topi`> aiju: nope
  953. [16:33:26] <aiju> do that
  954. [16:33:27] <av500> topi`: them drop the nullmodem cable
  955. [16:33:37] <aiju> topi`: i had the exactly same problem yesterday
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  959. [16:34:00] <nhg> av500: that's what I thought
  960. [16:34:03] <topi`> av500: are you suggesting I should cross the rx/tx ?
  961. [16:34:15] <aiju> topi`: use a normal modem cable
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  963. [16:34:33] <topi`> I have no rs232 cables at hand here :( i'm short on equipment
  964. [16:34:37] <topi`> all my stuff is at my mom's place
  965. [16:34:39] <aiju> what are you doing?
  966. [16:34:41] <topi`> *failure*
  967. [16:34:42] <topi`> :D
  968. [16:34:46] <av500> topi`: no
  969. [16:34:48] <topi`> aiju: trying to live with my wife!
  970. [16:34:51] <aiju> use mcgyver equipment?
  971. [16:35:00] <av500> if you are connecting the prolific directly it is fine
  972. [16:35:09] <topi`> she denies me all hardcore computing stuff
  973. [16:35:23] <av500> many people insist on their nullmodem cable though
  974. [16:35:31] <aiju> you can't even add a nullmodem cable
  975. [16:35:38] <av500> you can add 2
  976. [16:35:43] <aiju> hahahahahahahahaa
  977. [16:35:51] <aiju> are people really doing that?
  978. [16:36:34] <av500> and turn off all means of flow control
  979. [16:36:59] <topi`> aiju: so, where did you download these images you succeeded with?
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  981. [16:37:28] <topi`> av500: of course, I've fiddled with gumstixs and beagles all my life
  982. [16:37:40] <topi`> so flow control has been banned :)
  983. [16:37:46] <aiju> people use flow control?
  984. [16:37:58] <aiju> i have never, ever, used a device which used flow control
  985. [16:38:02] <cinap_lenrek> XOFF!
  986. [16:38:28] <aiju> topi`: somewhere on the ubuntu page
  987. [16:38:39] <mru> topi`: maybe she'll change her mind on computing stuff if you get her a http://www.lovecrave.com/duet/
  988. [16:38:48] <mru> or maybe it'll get worse, hard to predict
  989. [16:39:00] <topi`> hehe
  990. [16:39:04] <aiju> topi`: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/11.04/release/ubuntu-11.04-preinstalled-headless-armel+omap4.img.gz
  991. [16:39:16] <topi`> aiju: thnx
  992. [16:39:18] <aiju> not to promote ubuntu, but that worked at least
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  996. [16:40:21] <topi`> aiju: so did you find out what was your problem initially?
  997. [16:40:41] <aiju> not yet
  998. [16:40:54] <aiju> i'm just using the partitioning with a changed MLO and u-boot.bin right now
  999. [16:41:02] <aiju> to download an image via TFTP
  1000. [16:43:25] <topi`> aiju: but if you got anything on your minicom, then your problem is probably different
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  1002. [16:43:59] <topi`> since I should get "Could not read bootloader! X-Loader hangs"
  1003. [16:44:09] <topi`> if it's an empty SD card. but I do not. nothing.
  1004. [16:47:46] <cinap_lenrek> kfx: its awk
  1005. [16:48:15] <topi`> does it affect the debug output priority if I feed the panda from a USB cable connected to the OTG port? since then I think it waits for loader image over USB and might not output things to rs232.
  1006. [16:48:17] <av500> topi`: no
  1007. [16:48:24] <av500> topi`: rom code does not print anything
  1008. [16:48:41] <topi`> av500: ok, then I got wrong clues from googling
  1009. [16:48:46] <cinap_lenrek> IF [[ $((((((_____ASDKASD_____)))))))) ]] FI
  1010. [16:48:53] <av500> topi`: unplug the usb cable a bit, so that you only get power but not D+ D-
  1011. [16:49:44] <topi`> hmm
  1012. [16:51:01] <topi`> didn't affect the situation
  1013. [16:51:04] <topi`> maybe i'm just too impatient
  1014. [16:53:48] <topi`> (I am assuming that the Y-split cable for aux powering the USB doesn't have D- D+ connected)
  1015. [16:54:23] <av500> topi`: get one of the images and dd the 1st 100MB or so
  1016. [16:54:29] <aiju> 18:43 < topi`> since I should get "Could not read bootloader! X-Loader hangs"
  1017. [16:54:33] <topi`> doing it right now :)
  1018. [16:54:35] <av500> that should be enough to boot
  1019. [16:54:37] <aiju> X-Loader is MLO
  1020. [16:54:55] <aiju> topi`: i had what you said
  1021. [16:54:56] <topi`> aiju: yep, the guy behind this post was obviously trying to boot over USB
  1022. [16:55:03] <aiju> flashing lights, no response from serial
  1023. [16:55:07] <topi`> that's why is't called X-loader here :)
  1024. [16:57:16] <aiju> what are you doing?
  1025. [16:57:21] <aiju> booting from USB?
  1026. [16:57:28] <topi`> nope, just feeding the power via OTG
  1027. [16:57:44] <topi`> I found a Y-split cable that is able to provide 2x500mA over usb
  1028. [17:03:53] <[7]> topi`: remember that there's a 750mA fuse in that path!
  1029. [17:06:09] <topi`> really?
  1030. [17:06:12] <av500> fuse? what f............
  1031. [17:06:13] <topi`> hmm
  1032. [17:06:36] <topi`> aiju: thanks! now it works all right
  1033. [17:07:16] <topi`> so the problem was just about getting the bloody MLO to load
  1034. [17:07:51] <[7]> av500: isn't F1 in the miniUSB Vbus path?
  1035. [17:08:07] <av500> [7]: no idea
  1036. [17:08:07] <topi`> I think I'll just write my own uImage on that boot partition that came out of the ubuntu img
  1037. [17:08:28] <sjhill_> does anyone have a 3.0 kernel booting on 4460?
  1038. [17:08:51] <av500> sjhill_: on my 4460 panda?
  1039. [17:08:57] <sjhill_> av500: yes, sorry
  1040. [17:09:15] <av500> i can offer .35 booting on 4460
  1041. [17:09:21] <sjhill_> yeah, i have that
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  1043. [17:10:05] <[7]> av500, topi`: yes, F1 is in that path (see page 2 of the schematics). In the schematics it's specified as a 2A fuse, but on the silkscreen it says 750mA... weird
  1044. [17:10:06] <av500> sjhill_: now, go to the top level makefile, lines 2 and 3 :)
  1045. [17:10:19] <[7]> anyway, I can't identify what it really is without blowing it
  1046. [17:10:23] <sjhill_> lol
  1047. [17:11:56] <aiju> really
  1048. [17:11:59] <aiju> the lights are mysterious
  1049. [17:12:06] <aiju> they are now blinking slowly, after the system crashed
  1050. [17:12:30] <av500> after the brain dies, the body lives on for a while
  1051. [17:12:36] <aiju> hahahahaa
  1052. [17:12:38] <av500> same with pandas
  1053. [17:12:44] <topi`> [7]: I'm hoping that Panda doesn't draw 750 mA, at least the OMAP4440 ought to be pretty conservative on its power draw
  1054. [17:12:56] <av500> 4440 does not exist
  1055. [17:13:03] <av500> its triple unlucky
  1056. [17:13:15] <topi`> hehe :D
  1057. [17:13:59] <aiju> hahahaha
  1058. [17:14:09] <aiju> i didn't TI was japanese
  1059. [17:14:15] <aiju> +knew
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  1062. [17:34:55] * robclark has 3.0 on 4460 panda
  1063. [17:36:16] <robclark> sjhill_, it is a few weeks old, but I'm using something that is http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=people/andygreen/kernel-tilt.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/tracking-topic-future plus some unrelated patches
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  1069. [17:52:36] <aiju> is there a pandaboard emulator? ;P
  1070. [17:52:48] <av500> no
  1071. [17:52:54] <av500> next!
  1072. [17:52:57] <aiju> haha
  1073. [17:53:07] <aiju> what kind of JTAG connector does the board have?
  1074. [17:53:17] <aiju> there seem to be three dozen variants of JTAG connectors
  1075. [17:53:24] <av500> ti jtag
  1076. [17:53:26] <av500> next!
  1077. [17:55:53] <sjhill_> robclark: thx, cloning now
  1078. [17:56:02] <sjhill_> robclark: android stuff in there?
  1079. [17:57:46] <robclark> no, that branch is pretty close to vanilla
  1080. [17:58:07] <sjhill_> *sigh*
  1081. [17:58:17] <robclark> do you want android?
  1082. [17:58:25] <robclark> if so, linux-omap-3.0 branch..
  1083. [17:59:38] <sjhill_> <project path="kernel" name="people/andygreen/kernel-tilt" revision="tilt-jstultz-linaro-android-3.0" remote="linaro-other" />
  1084. [17:59:49] <aiju> yay xml
  1085. [17:59:51] <sjhill_> that's for the 11.08 leb-panda release
  1086. [18:00:17] <robclark> linaro android release?
  1087. [18:00:21] <sjhill_> yup
  1088. [18:00:36] <sjhill_> so maybe i should pull the linux-omap-3.0 branch
  1089. [18:00:44] <robclark> I assume there is a different kernel for their linux release
  1090. [18:01:06] <sjhill_> *shrug*
  1091. [18:01:11] <sjhill_> i'm still trying to figure out linaro
  1092. [18:01:22] <sjhill_> it's just as bad as the kernel
  1093. [18:01:34] <sjhill_> whoops, inside voice inside voice
  1094. [18:01:35] <mru> sjhill_: me too, and I work for them
  1095. [18:02:21] <sjhill_> mru: yikes
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  1097. [18:02:49] <robclark> I don't entirely get why they do android stuff
  1098. [18:02:50] <sjhill_> robclark: what git repo is 'linux-omap-3.0' branch from?
  1099. [18:03:02] <sjhill_> robclark: because TI wants them to
  1100. [18:04:57] <robclark> sjhill_, fairly recent clone of it here: https://github.com/nmenon/linux-omap-ti-pm/tree/linux-omap-3.0
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  1102. [18:05:22] <robclark> I'm not really sure where the upstream for that is.. but maybe there are some android folks around who know
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  1120. [19:05:31] <topi`> what kind of ethernet chip is there? the kernel doesn't give me any eth0
  1121. [19:05:38] <aiju> none
  1122. [19:05:44] <topi`> (using the 2.3.35 angstrom kernel)
  1123. [19:05:44] <aiju> there is a USB ethernet one
  1124. [19:05:54] <aiju> i think it's called LAN9514
  1125. [19:05:56] <topi`> but... why is there a ethernet connector onboard then?
  1126. [19:06:41] <aiju> that ethernet connector is to the USB ethernet controller
  1127. [19:06:54] <aiju> try lsusb
  1128. [19:07:02] <aiju> 2.3.35 seems a bit old
  1129. [19:07:13] <topi`> oh, it seems that the ethernet PHY is missing... well
  1130. [19:07:51] <topi`> I bought the board in the belief that it had ethernet onboard, but well..
  1131. [19:10:00] <sjhill_> which board?
  1132. [19:10:12] <aiju> topi`: it does have ethernet onboard
  1133. [19:10:15] <aiju> but it's ethernet via USB
  1134. [19:10:19] <topi`> the rev.A2
  1135. [19:10:30] <dm8tbr> someone broke off the connector for you?
  1136. [19:10:40] <aiju> i'd say your 2.3.35 is just too old
  1137. [19:11:07] <topi`> wtf is ethernet via USB? does it mean that the ethernet physical signaling is "emulated" by an USB interface chip?
  1138. [19:11:16] <topi`> smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: usb0: register 'smsc95xx' at usb-ehci-omap.0-1.1, smsc95xx U
  1139. [19:11:25] <aiju> topi`: the ethernet controller appears as a USB device
  1140. [19:11:30] <topi`> ok
  1141. [19:11:44] <ShadowJK> or the USB appears as a USB Ethernet device?
  1142. [19:12:32] <topi`> ok, if I do ifconfig usb0 up then it seems to work
  1143. [19:12:39] <topi`> but I get erratic ping behaviour
  1144. [19:12:52] <topi`> 64 bytes from 192.168.2.7: icmp_seq=22 ttl=64 time=373.236 ms
  1145. [19:12:52] <topi`> 64 bytes from 192.168.2.7: icmp_seq=23 ttl=64 time=1000.765 ms
  1146. [19:12:52] <topi`> 64 bytes from 192.168.2.7: icmp_seq=24 ttl=64 time=13.753 ms
  1147. [19:15:00] <sjhill_> topi`: that's fine
  1148. [19:15:08] <sjhill_> there are initial ARP requests that have to happen
  1149. [19:15:21] <aiju> at icmp_seq=22?
  1150. [19:15:42] <topi`> there were 21 pings before that.
  1151. [19:15:50] <sjhill_> whoops, didn't notice the seq #
  1152. [19:15:52] <topi`> scrolled out of window :)
  1153. [19:19:59] <prpplague> GrueMaster: weird thing happened to my x86 ubuntu installation last night, i did some updates and after a reboot, the system hacks on "checking battery status......"
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  1155. [19:20:19] <topi`> now I understand, the SMSC95xx is a USB hub with a built-in ethernet adapter
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  1157. [19:20:35] <prpplague> GrueMaster: i get the feeling that some battery management stuff was installed
  1158. [19:21:12] <damian> Hi, does anybody know where I can purchase a Revision A4 Pandaboard?
  1159. [19:21:34] <sjhill_> damian: hold on, i need to find my catalog with unicorn embryos in it
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  1162. [19:22:48] <prpplague> damian: A4 pandas are not in fully production as of yet
  1163. [19:23:08] <topi`> what's so special about A4 pandas?
  1164. [19:23:25] <prpplague> topi`: just new version of the silicon
  1165. [19:23:26] <damian> I am just wondering if they are available.
  1166. [19:23:48] <prpplague> damian: they are not available to the public as of yet
  1167. [19:24:03] <damian> Do you know when they will be?
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  1170. [19:25:10] <topi`> damian: I just got my pandaboard today from almost 2 months of backlog, and this seems to be a rev.A2 device.
  1171. [19:25:16] <topi`> I ordered from digikey
  1172. [19:26:21] <damian> Hrmm...
  1173. [19:26:29] <damian> OK, I'll look into it.
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  1175. [19:27:46] <prpplague> i hate it when they don't stay around long enough for me to answer
  1176. [19:28:24] <aiju> consider it a subtle form of trolling
  1177. [19:30:52] <prpplague> indeed
  1178. [19:31:05] * prpplague wonders why damian was wanting an A4 board
  1179. [19:44:08] <topi`> is the driver for the ethernet on panda reliable enough? I need to get more experience with this
  1180. [19:44:27] <topi`> it's just weird to observe these insanely big and variable pngs
  1181. [19:44:29] <topi`> pings
  1182. [19:44:39] <_av500_> yes
  1183. [19:44:43] <_av500_> that has been observed
  1184. [19:44:48] <[7]> topi`: that's probably more of a scheduling than an ethernet issue
  1185. [19:45:04] <topi`> probably the omap or the chip is sleeping during those intervals
  1186. [19:45:25] <topi`> since now I'm actively transferring >300k/s over the ethernet and the ping is steadily <10ms
  1187. [19:45:42] <[7]> yeah, actually it seems to be related to spinlocks
  1188. [19:45:55] <[7]> that issue manifests with all kinds of USB devices
  1189. [19:45:59] <[7]> you might want to watch https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux-linaro/+bug/709245
  1190. [19:46:05] <topi`> hmm
  1191. [19:46:17] <sjhill_> *sigh*
  1192. [19:46:18] <sjhill_> finally
  1193. [19:46:19] <[7]> you can pass a "nosmp" bootarg to only run one of the CPU cores but get around this bug
  1194. [19:46:32] <sjhill_> android + 3.0.0 on panda 4460 board
  1195. [19:56:37] <prpplague> topi`: the driver is reliable, it has been in the mainline kernel for some time
  1196. [19:57:13] <prpplague> topi`: there are some reported issues with the EHCI performance due to some frequency scaling issues
  1197. [19:57:37] <prpplague> sjhill_: up and running?
  1198. [20:00:00] <sjhill_> prpplague: yes
  1199. [20:00:09] <sjhill_> i wish i could say that was fun....but i can't
  1200. [20:00:37] <sjhill_> building is a mess
  1201. [20:00:42] <sjhill_> having to use multiple toolchains
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  1203. [20:02:05] <topi`> [7]: it seems an awful waste to run a dual core machine with nosmp :)
  1204. [20:02:05] <sjhill_> i'm getting ready to do a new build and run through my steps again
  1205. [20:02:23] <topi`> hmm, got an oops:
  1206. [20:02:23] <topi`> swapper: page allocation failure. order:3, mode:0x4020
  1207. [20:02:57] <prpplague> sjhill_: lovely
  1208. [20:02:58] <topi`> ok, it came from alloc_skb() so from the ethernet driver
  1209. [20:03:07] <prpplague> topi`: indeed, it is being looked into
  1210. [20:03:09] <topi`> but I wonder why page alloc would fail...
  1211. [20:03:17] <sjhill_> the prebuilt toolchain cannot be used at all
  1212. [20:03:31] <sjhill_> the linaro toolchain and codesourcery toolchains are both needed
  1213. [20:03:35] <_av500_> sjhill_: multiple?
  1214. [20:03:40] <_av500_> why?
  1215. [20:03:52] <sjhill_> _av500_: yes, because of ICEs building the kernel and uboot
  1216. [20:04:01] <sjhill_> i haven't filed bug reports yet
  1217. [20:04:05] <GrueMaster> prpplague: I can't tell you what to look for, but you are probably right. I only do arm work, so wouldn't know where to look.
  1218. [20:04:13] <_av500_> sjhill_: i wonder how we built kernels in the past.....
  1219. [20:04:21] <sjhill_> me too
  1220. [20:04:23] <prpplague> GrueMaster: hehe yea, just grumbling about it
  1221. [20:04:37] <_av500_> maybe running code hot of the gnupress is not that clever....
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  1247. [22:12:51] <topi`> I bootstrapped debian/sid with udev, why is it that at bootup I get "udevd[808]: unable to receive ctrl connection: Function not implemented"
  1248. [22:13:14] <topi`> this is with the 2.6.35 kernel from angstrom distribution
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  1250. [22:24:48] <topi`> obviously I should try to downgrade the udev package
  1251. [22:25:13] <topi`> but no idea where the new "feature" was introduced.
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  1253. [22:38:56] <mru> you could also upgrade the kernel
  1254. [22:39:24] <mru> and libc
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