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IRC Log for 2011-02-25

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  7. [00:25:11] <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
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  14. [00:52:31] <LinuxDonald> hello give it extra hardware for the pandoraboard? (extensions)
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  36. [03:38:06] <wmat> i noticed these linaro android builds, one of which is for the pandaboard if anyone is interested: https://android-build.linaro.org/mockup/index.html
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  38. [03:41:46] <htns_> anyone know of a HDMI display that also provides debug info, like what pixel clock it has detected, stuff like that? maybe a hacked LCD-TV?
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  41. [03:54:53] <mru> there are stupidly expensive hdmi analysers
  42. [03:55:04] <mru> probably not what you're looking for though
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  51. [05:02:10] <sjhill> anyone still up?
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  56. [05:42:06] <htns_> sjhill, nope :)
  57. [05:42:31] <htns_> you wouldn't happen to have a cheap hdmi analyser would you?
  58. [05:43:21] <htns_> mru, yup, my budget is about a grand max
  59. [05:48:29] <sjhill> no i do not, sorry
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  69. [07:07:53] <ds2> Hmmm the omap4 seems to do pretty with well brain dead pure software video playback
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  77. [07:57:28] <Luca256> hi
  78. [07:57:42] <Luca256> my serial console seems a bit flaky on my panda
  79. [07:58:03] <Luca256> some chars are lost and sometimes I need to press some keys for it to continue transmitting
  80. [07:58:22] <Luca256> the same connection (usb-serial adapter) works perfectly with beagle
  81. [07:58:25] <Luca256> any clues?
  82. [07:58:48] <Luca256> the same problem occurs in u-boot, so it's not a kernel/getty configuration issue
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  84. [08:03:19] <spikebike> what serial speed?
  85. [08:04:40] <Luca256> 115200n8
  86. [08:04:57] <Luca256> (same as I use with beagle)
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  88. [08:23:21] <spikebike> you confident in your cable?
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  92. [08:23:28] <spikebike> does it do the same at 38400?
  93. [08:23:34] * florian_kc is now known as florian
  94. [08:27:59] <Luca256> spikebike: the same cable, usb-serial adapter and minicom session works perfectly with beagle
  95. [08:28:13] <Luca256> I'll try to reduce the speed to see if it improves.
  96. [08:29:45] <Luca256> ahm, obviously this didn't work
  97. [08:30:17] <Luca256> ah, the bootloader sets the session to 115200, maybe I need to fix it there too
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  99. [08:34:56] <fairuz> hi
  100. [08:35:12] <fairuz> i need some direction on how to flush (clean and invalidate) the L2 cache
  101. [08:35:51] <fairuz> i tried to directly write to the clean and invalidate register but it crached the kernel
  102. [08:35:55] <fairuz> *crashed
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  104. [08:36:55] <Luca256> spikebike: damn, 38400 works :(
  105. [08:37:21] <Luca256> probably means the uart on my panda isn't working at higher speeds
  106. [08:37:36] <spikebike> possible
  107. [08:38:41] <spikebike> or a mismatch between hardware/software/cable settings
  108. [08:39:44] <Luca256> hmmm :(
  109. [08:43:28] <Luca256> crap
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  118. [10:54:37] <Rendernaut> Morning, I'm trying to build a minimal fs using angstrom, never had any problems before. However no my builds are getting stuck at "Parsing recipes: 0%". I've tried this on 2 different machines.
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  131. [11:50:19] <Rendernaut> OK, so my problems seems to be with ubuntu 9.04 as it seems to work on 10.10. Has anyone else seen this?
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  150. [13:42:27] <rick_> Have any pandaboard staff here?
  151. [13:44:14] <armin76> they're sleeping
  152. [13:44:24] <LetoThe2nd> rick_: define staf... and yes, some are here frequently, but not that time of the day.
  153. [13:45:41] <rick_> I want to order the pandaboard, but digi-key said that unknow when can delivery it. I need someone help.
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  155. [13:46:00] <LetoThe2nd> rick_: order now, receive in ~8weeks. order later, receive later. thats the way it is.
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  157. [13:46:40] <rick_> had order, but don't know need how many time
  158. [13:48:34] <rick_> Is need waiting 1 month ,2 months or....
  159. [13:48:56] <LetoThe2nd> rick_: i told you. expect ~8weeks, give or take some.
  160. [13:50:32] <rick_> 8 weeks, oh my god....
  161. [13:53:43] <LetoThe2nd> rick_: beagleboard xm is available for delivery on short notice.
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  164. [13:58:03] <koen> orbarron: did I just see your caller ID flash on my phone?
  165. [13:58:10] <koen> (I'm in a call right now)
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  167. [13:59:59] <LetoThe2nd> orbarron: here's one you could point at your offer, if it's still standing.
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  169. [14:05:50] <tibrisch> Hi all! Im only a little curious if anyone knows if a new pandroid release is ready, and how is support for 1080p playback in pandroid going?
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  172. [14:12:11] <wmat> tibrisch: did you try the linaro android build for panda?
  173. [14:12:55] <wmat> tibrisch: https://android-build.linaro.org/mockup/index.html
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  175. [14:21:57] <tibrisch> @wmat hi! thanks for the tip... i will check it out
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  177. [14:25:24] <KC9SJQ> I'm finally getting around to finishing my panda house.
  178. [14:25:36] * hrw (~hrw@linaro/hrw) Quit ()
  179. [14:25:57] <KC9SJQ> Last night, I sanded it in three passes, cleaned it, and put on the first coat of poly
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  183. [14:33:24] <tibrisch> It seems that Pandroid is Upstream relative to Linaro
  184. [14:41:08] <wmat> tibrisch: you may want to pay attention to the linaro bug tracker with respect to Panda
  185. [14:41:14] <wmat> tibrisch: such as https://launchpad.net/bugs/720114
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  187. [14:46:12] <tibrisch> many thanks! i will certanly follow that bug tracker
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  196. [15:52:07] * orbarron reads the logs
  197. [15:52:11] <orbarron> gm all
  198. [15:52:24] <KC9SJQ> Howdy orbarron
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  200. [15:52:54] <orbarron> howdy howdy howdy...
  201. [15:53:41] * orbarron thinks koen phones is busted...
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  204. [16:02:08] <KC9SJQ> So, I'm having difficulty sourcing headers and matching plugs for the panda
  205. [16:02:13] <KC9SJQ> Any suggestions?
  206. [16:04:05] <KC9SJQ> A straight digikey search only gives me this for the 28 position connector
  207. [16:04:06] <KC9SJQ> http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=A28701-ND
  208. [16:04:11] <KC9SJQ> $15!
  209. [16:07:08] <KC9SJQ> A search in the other retangular section gives me these, but they are all through hole. http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=A26493-ND
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  221. [16:50:20] <GPSFan> KC9SJQ, what do you need, a male of female? I'd try Samtec, they will sell direct in small quantities, or you can get samples. Something like: http://www.samtec.com/ProductInformation/TechnicalSpecifications/Overview.aspx?series=IDSD in 28 pin with only one end is ~$6US in singles.
  222. [16:51:20] <KC9SJQ> I want a matching set, really. The male pins should be through whole for soldering on hte panda, the female should be either solderable or those ribon cable style slamp on
  223. [16:52:09] <KC9SJQ> Hmm, that seems like exactly what I want
  224. [16:53:09] <GPSFan> for that part I get this from their sudden service: http://www.samtec.com/SuddenService/PublicPD/PD.aspx?showmenu=0&showhelpers=1&part=IDSD-14-S-12.00-T-G#Results
  225. [16:53:11] <KC9SJQ> Oh wait is this the cable or just the connector?
  226. [16:53:29] <GPSFan> that was the connector and cable at 12"
  227. [16:53:52] <GPSFan> use their build a part to customize what you want then get a price.
  228. [16:55:19] <KC9SJQ> I only want the connector. They should have that then
  229. [16:56:53] <GPSFan> KC9SJQ, maybe, they specialize in pre-assembled cables, if you want to crimp on the Tyco connector from digikey you probably need a special crimping tool --> $$$
  230. [16:58:24] <KC9SJQ> I don't think they tyco style is what I'm looking for. Aren't they the kind where you crimp each pin individually and then push into the header assembly?
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  232. [16:59:46] <GPSFan> not sure if that is what that tyco is or not. do you want an IDC connectror like is on the end of a HDD or floppy cable?
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  234. [17:00:18] <KC9SJQ> Yes, just like that
  235. [17:00:21] <GPSFan> KC9SJQ, do you want to crimp the wires on all at once or one at a time?
  236. [17:00:34] <KC9SJQ> IDC style, that is what I didn't know.
  237. [17:00:58] <KC9SJQ> I'm looking for 28 pin IDC female connectors
  238. [17:02:09] <GPSFan> KC9SJQ, gotcha... hold on a min or two...
  239. [17:02:19] <KC9SJQ> That samtec site only seems to have male headers (good), and cable assemblies
  240. [17:02:30] <KC9SJQ> no female connectors
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  244. [17:09:28] <GPSFan> KC9SJQ, yeah they used to but no longer, they sell pre-crimped female cable assemblies now. ;>(
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  246. [17:18:36] <GPSFan> KC9SJQ, something like this: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?vendor=0&keywords=hsc26s-nd Except it (and many others) seem to be not available in 28pin, just 26 & 30... still looking.
  247. [17:19:11] <KC9SJQ> That is exactly what I want, and the exact same issue I seem to be having
  248. [17:28:02] <prpplague> KC9SJQ: http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardPinMux#Connectors
  249. [17:28:10] <prpplague> KC9SJQ: feel free to add to the list
  250. [17:28:20] <prpplague> KC9SJQ: the FCI connectors are usually in stock
  251. [17:28:33] <GPSFan> KC9SJQ, could you use a 30 pin and just not use the extra 2 pins? or use one of these and cut off the excess: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?vendor=0&keywords=609-2392-nd
  252. [17:28:40] <prpplague> KC9SJQ: i was planning to search through some of the specs and see if can find some that cross reference
  253. [17:29:36] <KC9SJQ> prpplague: Thanks, I'll check those out.
  254. [17:29:49] <KC9SJQ> GPSFan: Can I? I'm woried about spacing on the board
  255. [17:32:10] <GPSFan> KC9SJQ, the last digikey was a "crimp on each individual wire and push it into the connector body type. I've cut those down to smaller sizes, but it really depends on whether you are looking to build one (a few) of something or go into production.
  256. [17:32:54] <GPSFan> KC9SJQ, what will work ok for a one-off project may not be appropriate for volume prodction.
  257. [17:34:42] <prpplague> KC9SJQ: what is it your are trying to accomplish?
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  265. [17:57:23] <pmathews> Assuming room on your board & the male connector looks like [:::::::::::::], just carefully knock the end off at pins 27&28 and use the 30 pin female
  266. [17:59:24] <pmathews> YMMV
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  269. [18:24:51] <MMlosh> Hi! Can somebody give me some pointers about this: I am looking for an arm server end-user device.. at least one gigabit ethernet, one 100M ethernet, 3G (e)sata, 1GB ram, some USBs, decent computational power, tolerable power consumption, but not critical
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  275. [18:37:32] <KC9SJQ> MMlosh: There is not an arm device that I know of which will meet that requirement
  276. [18:38:03] <MMlosh> there used to be the GuruPlug.. only 512M of RAM, thought
  277. [18:38:05] <KC9SJQ> If you're not terribly space limited, a headless atom board is about $60-70, 10W and has those
  278. [18:38:10] <KC9SJQ> expansions
  279. [18:38:53] <KC9SJQ> I could be wrong but all the plugs that I know of have only one ethernet, and that one is 100M
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  281. [18:39:56] <MMlosh> guruplug server plus.. I'll find a link.. but it is permanently out of stock.. discontinued or something
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  283. [18:40:45] <PaulW_cdot> MMlosh, nothing yet with those specs.
  284. [18:41:05] <KC9SJQ> Nothing in the Zoo Board series will be matching those specs either
  285. [18:41:19] <PaulW_cdot> guru has 1.2 ghz with 512 ram, heating issues make it less attractive
  286. [18:41:29] <MMlosh> http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-guruplugdetails.aspx link
  287. [18:41:55] <MMlosh> yes.. the heat.. might not be such issue with one ethernet in 100M mode and wifi&bt off
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  289. [18:42:12] <PaulW_cdot> we have 20 of them, 5 without fans that can only run at 10/100, others with fans can use gigbit
  290. [18:42:35] <MMlosh> The question was - this device is not available anymore... there should be something like a successor
  291. [18:42:41] <PaulW_cdot> there is
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  293. [18:43:15] <MMlosh> uh.. the website said that fanless devices can do one Gbit and one 10/100
  294. [18:43:36] <PaulW_cdot> the dreamplug, check that out
  295. [18:43:43] <PaulW_cdot> http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/c-5-dreamplugs.aspx
  296. [18:44:07] <PaulW_cdot> but, 512 ram, no 3G
  297. [18:45:13] <MMlosh> oh.. I missed that one... I have seen the picture&name, but no price or availability last time I checked
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  299. [18:45:46] <MMlosh> I am not sure about the computing power... isn't panda "faster" ?
  300. [18:46:06] <PaulW_cdot> US Version ordered now will be shipped in February 2011
  301. [18:46:14] <PaulW_cdot> in regards to dreamplugs
  302. [18:46:15] <KC9SJQ> MMlosh: $149
  303. [18:46:45] <MMlosh> sure.. When I know that the product is real, then I can find the price too
  304. [18:47:02] <MMlosh> not sure about the existence of openRD device..
  305. [18:47:19] <PaulW_cdot> Panda is is a better buy
  306. [18:47:26] <PaulW_cdot> imo
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  308. [18:48:15] <MMlosh> but without the gbit interface, sadly
  309. [18:49:08] <MMlosh> and ethernet shares bandwidth with usb ports
  310. [18:49:37] <KC9SJQ> Yes, all through put are limited to a single USB 1.2 interface
  311. [18:50:03] <KC9SJQ> Thus, if you want that much throughput, you should go atom
  312. [18:50:07] <PaulW_cdot> yea, sad choice for sure.
  313. [18:50:25] <KC9SJQ> Especially if you just want consumer software
  314. [18:50:41] <KC9SJQ> Is there a particular reason you want Arm?
  315. [18:50:57] <PaulW_cdot> KC9SJQ, hardware will come. Atom is unimpressive
  316. [18:51:47] <KC9SJQ> Yes, unimpressive, but available, and much cheaper than arm dev boards, and capable of the connections he wants.
  317. [18:52:38] <KC9SJQ> I went with the Panda for my home server because of the power consuption (2W vs 10W+), I just wanted to know his.
  318. [18:54:04] <MMlosh> KC9SJQ, a) religious views b) I dislike atoms c) saying it takes 5W gives me quite big dotation d) no more binary hacks, avoiding having perl/python installed makes the device secure-looking... not real security, of course
  319. [18:54:27] <MMlosh> KC9SJQ, oh.. the enclosure is not a real issue
  320. [18:54:53] <MMlosh> query update: no need for being end-user product.. a piece of PCB is ok too
  321. [18:55:55] <KC9SJQ> Then it looks like that Dreamplug is what you want, go for it.
  322. [18:56:01] <MMlosh> also: panda might be faster than my current desktop.. I ordered one because I want to confirm that
  323. [18:57:01] <KC9SJQ> That part isn't true, unless your desktop is extremely dated.
  324. [18:57:02] <MMlosh> well..almost.. I'd like more ram and cpu power... and I wanted to be sure that there is nothing like that...
  325. [18:57:19] <PaulW_cdot> For those interested we have released a Fedora 13 Beta rootfs for ARM - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/F13-ARM-Beta1
  326. [18:57:29] <KC9SJQ> End user experience comparing a panda to a Atom 450 based netbook, the panda is far slower
  327. [18:58:19] <KC9SJQ> Most of that has to do with the very slow SD card interface, so a root fs on an external spinning platter may be preferable.
  328. [18:59:00] <MMlosh> hmm.. allright.. will networked drive be somewhat faster?
  329. [18:59:13] <KC9SJQ> Most likely
  330. [18:59:27] <KC9SJQ> the trick, is that root FS must be on a SD card
  331. [18:59:44] <MMlosh> huh... why? no netboot code for uboot yet?
  332. [18:59:44] <KC9SJQ> The bios on the board won't accept anything else
  333. [19:00:27] <KC9SJQ> But several here have just a boot partition on the card, and the majority on a usb HD
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  335. [19:01:38] <MMlosh> that might be tolerable.. given the fact that there is no real reason for turning panda off
  336. [19:02:54] <MMlosh> but also means I'll need a bigger uSD card
  337. [19:03:23] <MMlosh> the thing is - the kernel + initrd aren't able to get the rest over the net?
  338. [19:03:37] <KC9SJQ> Now, that said, I run ubuntu on mine, completely on the SD. I have a 1TB usb drive attached that I use for data, and is shared via ftp and samba. I can still saturate the onboard 100M ethernet
  339. [19:04:09] <KC9SJQ> MMlosh: of course, once the kernel is booted, the fstab root fs can be anywhere.
  340. [19:04:35] <KC9SJQ> That is a linux kernel setting, not something that can be limited by the hardware.
  341. [19:05:17] <MMlosh> allright.. I knew it does not make much sense the way I "heard"
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  344. [19:05:56] <MMlosh> KC9SJQ, of course... usb gives something close to 500mbit or something...
  345. [19:06:24] <KC9SJQ> I'm sorry, I think I said root fs, when I ment boot. Does that make things clearer?
  346. [19:07:03] <MMlosh> it does.. thanks
  347. [19:09:03] <KC9SJQ> So, as long as you don't add a usb 1G ethernet, the relatively slow usb 1.2 interface isn't going to be an issue.
  348. [19:09:28] <MMlosh> also: what is USB 1.2 ?
  349. [19:09:51] <MMlosh> I know only these: 1.0, 1.1 and 2.0
  350. [19:11:33] <MMlosh> usb GBit ethernets aren't cheap and they produce a lot of heat
  351. [19:13:00] <KC9SJQ> They also will be limited by your usb controller, so you won't be able to get the connectivity out of the panda that way either
  352. [19:14:53] <MMlosh> correct.. usb-gbit converter can't reach GBit speeds.. not even 500M.. so the benefit is not so large anyway
  353. [19:16:31] <KC9SJQ> So, what are you going to do with the knowledge? Are you still interested in the panda even without the connections you want? Are you going to investigate the dreamplug?
  354. [19:21:16] <MMlosh> well.. I'll get the panda and try how fast it seems to be when compared to my pentium III workspatio
  355. [19:21:30] <MMlosh> *two pentium III workstation
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  359. [19:23:44] <MMlosh> I might get the dreamplug later, when I decide to get the (e)sata harddisk and/or GBit cards for computers, since there are none in the present... only gigabit-able infrastructure
  360. [19:24:20] <KC9SJQ> Fair enough
  361. [19:25:18] <MMlosh> just to know - are there even faster boards than panda?
  362. [19:28:24] <MMlosh> KC9SJQ, we forgot something
  363. [19:28:39] <KC9SJQ> hmm?
  364. [19:28:47] <MMlosh> the wifi n thing.. does it use the usb bus, or not?
  365. [19:29:02] <KC9SJQ> Seperate interconnect
  366. [19:29:15] <KC9SJQ> Will not limit usb
  367. [19:29:32] <MMlosh> ok...
  368. [19:29:45] <MMlosh> another device with wired-wireless paradox...
  369. [19:29:50] <KC9SJQ> But the drivers for it will not allow it to be put into master mode, yet
  370. [19:30:20] <MMlosh> oh.. thanks for telling me
  371. [19:30:31] <KC9SJQ> For the moment, mine is still being linked with a wire to a linksys router
  372. [19:30:49] <MMlosh> having wireless network faster than the wired one is weird..
  373. [19:31:24] <KC9SJQ> I would argue that for most, that is simply because the wire is disapearing
  374. [19:31:44] * KC9SJQ shrugs :)
  375. [19:32:03] <MMlosh> my phone has usb 1.1 and wifi.. wifi is faster.. a lot faster
  376. [19:32:54] <KC9SJQ> hehe
  377. [19:33:04] <KC9SJQ> my phone still just makes phone calls
  378. [19:33:09] * MMlosh does not mind wires.. and prefers them at all fixed locations
  379. [19:33:14] <MMlosh> well.. this one actually does not
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  382. [19:33:57] <MMlosh> I misconfigured something and/or the simcard is too old
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  385. [19:36:53] <MMlosh> ah.. designsomething was the website I was looking fore
  386. [19:36:55] <MMlosh> *fior
  387. [19:36:57] <MMlosh> *for
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  389. [19:46:42] <jayabharath> PaulW_cdot: Please register Fedora ARM port as a project at http://pandaboard.org/content/projects -- so other can find/use/contribute to it easily.
  390. [19:47:28] <PaulW_cdot> jayabharath, will do
  391. [19:47:55] <jayabharath> PaulW_cdot: a couple of my colleges at work were excited that fedora on ARM is accelerating it's efforts .. :)
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  393. [19:48:44] <PaulW_cdot> jayabharath, excellent, we looking at at doing armv7 hardfp soon as well (also keeping armv5tel)
  394. [19:49:01] <jayabharath> great
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  397. [19:56:55] <jeffdg8r> just fyi
  398. [19:57:03] <jeffdg8r> digikey has about 1100 on backorder now
  399. [19:57:08] <jeffdg8r> so they're slowly catching up :)
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  402. [20:04:37] <PaulW_cdot> jayabharath, link to add a project is broken. Apparently our project was added yesterday but hasn't shown up yet
  403. [20:04:55] * jayabharath looks...
  404. [20:05:27] <PaulW_cdot> jayabharath, url just needs to be changed to pandaboard.org and it works
  405. [20:06:14] <jayabharath> PaulW_cdot: dint understand...
  406. [20:06:37] <PaulW_cdot> the url is currently - http://omiio.td-dev.com/node/add/project
  407. [20:06:41] <jayabharath> You go to http://pandaboard.org/content/projects - then click regiter project on left side..
  408. [20:07:06] <PaulW_cdot> but should be - http://pandaboard.org/node/add/project
  409. [20:07:14] <PaulW_cdot> ah, was clicking the one at the bottom of the page
  410. [20:07:22] <jayabharath> oh.. I see
  411. [20:07:52] <jayabharath> The footer link needs fixing.. got cha.. I will correct that in a moment..
  412. [20:08:03] <jayabharath> you can register via the link on the left... which should work
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  414. [20:11:14] <jayabharath> PaulW_cdot: fixed the footer link...
  415. [20:11:20] <jayabharath> thx for pointing out
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  417. [20:11:52] <jayabharath> I believe ctyler brought this up a couple of days back.. we dint realize where the broken link was.... I guess now we do :)
  418. [20:13:22] <PaulW_cdot> jayabharath, cool, thanks
  419. [20:13:55] <prpplague> jayabharath: the MRD generally looks good, there are a couple wording items, but we can tweak those
  420. [20:14:12] <jayabharath> hey prpplague!
  421. [20:14:19] <jayabharath> did you see my mail?
  422. [20:14:45] <prpplague> jayabharath: the one about the MRD?
  423. [20:14:55] <jayabharath> ya... I sent the feedback on it.. capturing what we talked about...
  424. [20:15:17] <prpplague> jayabharath: yea there is just a few wording issues on the expansion header stuff
  425. [20:15:22] <prpplague> jayabharath: otherwise it is dead on
  426. [20:15:27] <jayabharath> Oh I see...
  427. [20:15:43] <jayabharath> The only issues is not using 1.27mm headers...?
  428. [20:15:50] <jayabharath> but something more usable.. right
  429. [20:16:21] <prpplague> yea
  430. [20:16:30] <jayabharath> what about 3.3V support...
  431. [20:16:36] <jayabharath> is that through a LDO
  432. [20:16:45] <jayabharath> ie., no change needed for that?
  433. [20:16:56] <prpplague> the are currently hand solderable, the number of pins and getting the actual connector are the issue
  434. [20:17:05] <jayabharath> got cha..
  435. [20:17:15] <jayabharath> I am meeting them in 40 mins.. I will clarify
  436. [20:17:26] <jayabharath> what about the wierd LCD connector...
  437. [20:17:34] <jayabharath> we need to fix that up too.. right? for DPI
  438. [20:17:37] <prpplague> correct
  439. [20:17:52] <jayabharath> can you do me a favor..
  440. [20:17:59] <prpplague> respond to the email?
  441. [20:18:01] <jayabharath> look up some examples on digikey & mouser tha you like
  442. [20:18:25] <jayabharath> for both the expansion & lcd i/f... this way we can show them what we mean
  443. [20:18:32] <jayabharath> in concrete terms...
  444. [20:18:38] <jayabharath> as a example
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  446. [20:19:02] <jayabharath> you/curt can then actually pick out something that you want after more research
  447. [20:19:28] * jayabharath wonders is it a Kurt or a curt? ;)
  448. [20:21:10] <KC9SJQ> prpplague: Making a case for more easily available headers and connectors?
  449. [20:21:20] <prpplague> KC9SJQ: yes
  450. [20:21:33] <prpplague> jayabharath: Curt
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  452. [20:22:17] <prpplague> KC9SJQ: weren't the only ones you could find today were 2x15 instead of 2x14 ?
  453. [20:22:44] <jayabharath> KC9SJQ: for most part of 2011 pandaboard update will suffer for existing header/connectors... we are fixing it up a little out in the 'future' version that we are planning for ;)
  454. [20:22:51] <KC9SJQ> Well, I did fine one, but it was $15
  455. [20:23:16] <KC9SJQ> but yeah, 2x14 is easy, 2x 16 is easy, 2x15 is like pulling teeth
  456. [20:23:53] <KC9SJQ> er...-1 all around
  457. [20:25:45] <prpplague> KC9SJQ: yea the 2x14 is next to impossible
  458. [20:26:16] <prpplague> jayabharath: the 0.1" headers are fine for the low speed stuff
  459. [20:26:30] <prpplague> jayabharath: we just need to pick a size like 2x15 instead of 2x14
  460. [20:26:43] <prpplague> jayabharath: 2x15 is readily available for cables, headers, and connectors
  461. [20:26:49] <prpplague> jayabharath: 2x14 isn't
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  463. [20:27:03] <jayabharath> so we are ok with LCD connector?
  464. [20:27:06] <jayabharath> for DPI
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  466. [20:31:03] <prpplague> jayabharath: no
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  468. [20:31:25] <prpplague> jayabharath: the DPI needs to be changed to something like a 2mm header
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  470. [20:32:01] <prpplague> jayabharath: and placed in such a way that off the shelf prototyping and cables can be used
  471. [20:32:16] <jayabharath> ok.
  472. [20:32:41] <prpplague> jayabharath: main problem with 1.27mm is it isn't a commonly available spacing
  473. [20:32:45] <prpplague> jayabharath: 2mm is
  474. [20:33:27] <prpplague> jayabharath: the low speed and DPI need to be able to be 1) hand solder 2) use easy to acquire connectors
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  476. [20:33:52] <prpplague> jayabharath: the DSI and high speed can be more robust such as the one i sent in the email
  477. [20:34:11] <jayabharath> fair enough
  478. [20:35:21] <prpplague> jayabharath: see you can get 2mm prototype all over the place - http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=2370010
  479. [20:35:49] <jayabharath> yup
  480. [20:36:31] <jayabharath> done.. sent clarification
  481. [20:36:41] <jayabharath> will explain in person to the folks
  482. [20:36:46] <prpplague> dandy
  483. [20:36:54] <jayabharath> prpplague: got to take a walk now... :)
  484. [20:37:29] <prpplague> jayabharath: understoof
  485. [20:37:30] <prpplague> d
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  487. [20:43:27] <jglendale> hi all
  488. [20:43:53] <jglendale> I'm trying to cross-compile x-load and u-boot for the pandaboard from the gitorious repos
  489. [20:44:08] <jglendale> I successfully compiled u-boot so far
  490. [20:44:27] <jglendale> from branches omap4_panda_L24.9 and omap4_panda_es2.0
  491. [20:44:39] <jglendale> (successfully = tested on the board)
  492. [20:44:51] <jglendale> I then compiled x-loader (which compiles fine)
  493. [20:45:02] <jglendale> but I can't get it to work on the board
  494. [20:45:18] <jglendale> I tried the same branches
  495. [20:46:04] <jglendale> first question is: is the gitorious pandaboard x-loader repo supposed to compile and work on the board?
  496. [20:46:11] <jglendale> (I guess yes, but still worth asking)
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  498. [20:47:54] <sahall3> jglendale, does your u-boot or OS see all the ram or only about 460M
  499. [20:48:33] <jglendale> mm
  500. [20:48:39] <jglendale> u-boot says
  501. [20:48:43] <armin76> jglendale: what board do you have? if a1, then it won't work
  502. [20:48:46] <jglendale> DRAM: 512MB
  503. [20:49:11] <jglendale> yes it's A1
  504. [20:49:25] <jglendale> what would not work exactly on A1?
  505. [20:49:36] <armin76> jglendale: x-loader, what repo did you use?
  506. [20:49:47] <jglendale> http://gitorious.org/pandaboard/x-loader
  507. [20:49:54] <armin76> oh
  508. [20:49:57] <armin76> then that one should work
  509. [20:50:00] <jglendale> but cloned omap4_panda_L24.9 branch
  510. [20:50:08] <armin76> ah
  511. [20:50:15] <armin76> then i doubt its going to work
  512. [20:50:16] <armin76> use master
  513. [20:50:18] <jglendale> tried also with omap4_panda_es2.0
  514. [20:50:22] <jglendale> oh ok
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  516. [20:50:43] <armin76> the a1/es2.1 support is kinda "recent"
  517. [20:50:47] <armin76> patches were floating around
  518. [20:50:49] <jglendale> what are L24.9 and es2.0 for?
  519. [20:50:52] <jglendale> ah
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  521. [20:51:43] <sahall3> hi all
  522. [20:51:57] <armin76> jglendale: fyi upstream u-boot works fine
  523. [20:52:04] <jglendale> oh ok
  524. [20:52:17] <jglendale> what about kernel?
  525. [20:52:32] <armin76> wait wait
  526. [20:52:37] <armin76> wrong repo
  527. [20:52:50] <jglendale> ah
  528. [20:52:55] <sahall3> I am wondering why is it that the full 1G of ram is not seen in the OS or the bootloader
  529. [20:53:08] <armin76> http://gitorious.org/x-loader
  530. [20:53:12] <armin76> jglendale: ^
  531. [20:53:16] <jglendale> ok
  532. [20:53:17] * mru sees all the ram
  533. [20:53:28] <mru> and has no problems using it
  534. [20:53:30] <armin76> jglendale: the pandaboard repo on gitorious is old stuff
  535. [20:53:53] <armin76> jglendale: http://dev.gentoo.org/~armin76/arm/pandaboard/install.xml <- here's what i use
  536. [20:54:22] <jglendale> aahh
  537. [20:54:30] <jglendale> sounds like a great tuto
  538. [20:54:37] <jglendale> (I love gentoo people)
  539. [20:54:41] <armin76> of course it is, i did it! :D
  540. [20:54:51] <jglendale> eh eh ;)
  541. [20:55:05] <jglendale> so
  542. [20:55:23] <armin76> sahall3: what are you using? ubuntu?
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  544. [20:55:26] <jglendale> following this, I *should* be able to cross-compile my self x-load/u-boot/kernel for my A1?
  545. [20:55:45] <jglendale> trying angstrom first
  546. [20:55:49] <armin76> jglendale: my guide? if you use gentoo yes, if you don't, yes if you have a crosscompiler :)
  547. [20:56:04] <jglendale> ok
  548. [20:57:01] <armin76> regarding the kernel, i'm using what ubuntu uses on maverick, some other people use the one from kernel.org, ubuntu has a different kernel on the new version(which is called...?)
  549. [20:57:15] <armin76> different = newer
  550. [20:58:15] <armin76> i gave up on using the kernels on http://dev.omapzoom.org/?p=integration/kernel-omap4.git;a=summary (using latest branch, not master) because it looked like they weren't tested on the panda
  551. [20:58:21] <sahall3> mru, are using any custom stuff to boot because when I tried with minimmalfs and fedora it only sees 460M
  552. [20:58:57] <armin76> sahall3: the evaluation fs uses an old version of u-boot/xloader which only sees that ram, yes
  553. [20:59:21] <armin76> you need to get something newer
  554. [20:59:43] <armin76> you can build one yourself or steal from ubuntu
  555. [20:59:58] <jglendale> armin76: yes, I tried the one from openembedded as well, but no luck so far
  556. [21:00:18] <armin76> jglendale: koen should know
  557. [21:00:55] <armin76> jglendale: i ended up using the ubuntu kernel because if there was any problem they would fix it, while on the others they(TI) aren't going to care
  558. [21:01:27] <jglendale> yes I didn't bother koen so far, but I might :)
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  561. [21:02:55] <robclark> armin76, fwiw, I don't think kernel-omap4.git is maintained anymore...
  562. [21:03:35] <robclark> the core kernel folks (ie. not android or ubuntu product teams) are working on upstream kernel..
  563. [21:04:06] <robclark> although it leaves temporarily the android and ubuntu kernel trees as the only thing for folks who don't want to apply a stack of patches themselves..
  564. [21:05:31] <sahall3> armin76, should I try using the same repo you suggested jglendale?
  565. [21:05:49] <armin76> sahall3: if you have a crosscompiler, yes
  566. [21:06:22] <armin76> sahall3: the ubuntu u-boot says 512MB, but its hardcoded, the kernel then sees all the ram you specify
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  568. [21:06:51] <armin76> sahall3: keep in mind that if you're going to compile on the board, and you use the full 1gb, its going to give you issues, ubuntu limits it to ~700mb
  569. [21:07:16] <armin76> robclark: nod
  570. [21:08:03] <sahall3> armin76, would that be because of the vram reservation?
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  572. [21:09:14] <armin76> sahall3: http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/PandaBoard_FAQ#I_get_segfaults.2Fsigbuses_when_compiling._What.27s_wrong.3F <- check the ref
  573. [21:10:00] <mru> what's so magical about compiling?
  574. [21:10:24] <armin76> you generate text on the screen
  575. [21:11:29] <robclark> mru, natively building the linux kernel does turn out to be a good stress test
  576. [21:12:02] <sahall3> armin76, thanks its been updated recently didnt notice that. I cant wait to try this again tonight
  577. [21:14:39] <armin76> sahall3: http://people.canonical.com/~rsalveti/lamont/panda/cookbook.txt <- here you can find a guide of how to steal u-boot+x-loader from ubuntu :)
  578. [21:18:38] <mru> robclark: so are many other things
  579. [21:20:03] <robclark> yes, true
  580. [21:20:38] <robclark> maybe building ffmpeg natively ;-)
  581. [21:20:51] <robclark> (tho maybe a better compiler test)
  582. [21:22:19] <jglendale> armin76: thanks for the help, just got x-load and u-boot compile and work fine
  583. [21:22:28] <jglendale> will test the kernel right away
  584. [21:26:57] <mru> robclark: I've done something like 100 parallel fate runs
  585. [21:27:11] <mru> if there's a memory problem, it tends to show up in ffmpeg
  586. [21:27:28] <mru> it moves around a lot more data then a compiler
  587. [21:31:46] <robclark> true.. although building kernel is probably more file I/O..
  588. [21:32:07] <robclark> I suspect that might be somehow related to the highmem bug.. but only a guess
  589. [21:35:41] <sahall3> armin76, thanks thats interesting
  590. [21:37:52] <mru> robclark: I just don't see why highmem would be relevant at all
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  592. [21:38:18] <mru> at least not with the limit usually claimed
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  594. [21:38:51] <mru> there are 4 dram dies, 2 on each emif
  595. [21:38:52] <yrt> on setting CONFIG_LOCALVERSION="test"
  596. [21:39:01] <yrt> I am getting testtest in uname -r
  597. [21:39:05] <mru> with interleaving, all of them will be used once you get above 512M
  598. [21:39:21] <yrt> does anyboty observed this behaviour
  599. [21:39:33] <robclark> well.. there have been others that have investigated this more than I have, but my understanding is that the instability comes in when enough memory is enabled to cause linux to start using highmem..
  600. [21:39:47] <robclark> I really doubt it is a hw issue
  601. [21:40:07] <robclark> it is probably a buggy driver somewhere..
  602. [21:40:32] <mru> more likely, yes
  603. [21:40:35] <pmathews> can someone verify the changes I made to http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/PandaBoard_FAQ#I_get_segfaults.2Fsigbuses_when_compiling._What.27s_wrong.3F yesterday (flagged in red)
  604. [21:40:46] <mru> robclark: but I can't fathom what kind of bug that would be
  605. [21:40:55] <mru> it's a flat address space
  606. [21:41:19] <pmathews> In which I assumed the pandaboard had 1GB RAM
  607. [21:41:49] <robclark> pmathews, the first mem=460/456 depends on what address syslink is using (although if linux and ducati are using same memory, that will definitely cause crashes..
  608. [21:43:34] <robclark> mru, I think highmem pages aren't accessible directly in kernel virtual space, so if drivers aren't doing the right thing when accessing memory from userspace, that would cause problems
  609. [21:47:36] <pmathews> actually - I copied this from the Blaze bootargs
  610. [21:48:24] <robclark> pmathews, 460 vs 453 depends on syslink version (or I think basically whether dsp support was there)
  611. [21:48:38] <pmathews> The question is, should I revert my chages to the wiki?
  612. [21:48:50] <pmathews> s/chages/changes/
  613. [21:49:38] <robclark> probably
  614. [21:50:04] <pmathews> so the pandaboard doesn't have 1GB, only 768MB??
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  616. [21:51:10] <yrt> on setting CONFIG_LOCALVERSION="test" , i am getting uname -r output as testtest
  617. [21:51:15] <yrt> can anybody comment
  618. [21:52:22] <robclark> pmathews, no, it has 1gb.. but not all that 1gb is for linux.. and then on top of that, some people aren't using the top 256 to avoid the highmem instabilities
  619. [21:52:42] <pmathews> ok - I'll revert
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  621. [21:53:55] <robclark> rsalveti, sebjan, btw, did anyone ever check if the highmem instabilities are only present with filesystem on MMC card, or are same issues seen w/ filesystem on usb drive?
  622. [21:54:29] <mru> robclark: you mean something not using copy_from/to_user properly?
  623. [21:54:42] <mru> yes, that could be a problem
  624. [21:54:54] <robclark> yeah
  625. [21:54:54] <rsalveti> robclark: also happened with me on usb
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  627. [21:55:17] <robclark> ahh, ok.. so maybe then not file i/o related..
  628. [21:55:28] <mru> most i/o is over usb on the panda
  629. [21:55:48] * robclark wonder's what else might be different between mru running many parallel fate vs building kernel..
  630. [21:56:07] <mru> nfs-only system with no swap
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  633. [21:57:35] <robclark> hmm, I guess I should try building kernel again one of these days.. I'm disabling swap, but don't really remember what configuration I was using a long time ago when I last tried 1gb..
  634. [21:57:49] <robclark> but usually kernel I cross compile
  635. [21:57:49] <mru> CONFIG_VMSPLIT_3G=y
  636. [21:58:17] <robclark> I thought that was tried.. do you remember rsalveti?
  637. [21:58:56] <rsalveti> with and without highmem, with and without swap, with mmc and with usb
  638. [21:59:02] <rsalveti> :-)
  639. [21:59:09] <mru> nfs?
  640. [21:59:26] <rsalveti> think someone from community reported the issue with nfs
  641. [21:59:29] <rsalveti> but I never tried
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  646. [22:09:21] * robclark wonders how long it would take to build kernel natively over nfs..
  647. [22:09:45] <mru> I doubt it's io-bound
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  660. [22:57:21] <calculus> I built a kernel last night natively on the sd card, it compiled successfully, but I have 768M set on the kernel command line
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  673. [23:55:43] <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
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