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- [05:33:51] <davilla>
has anyone done any work on yv12 -> rgb color space convert using neon ?
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- [06:06:22] <MH_>
Hello!
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- [06:13:27] <MH_>
Hello! Prpplague,
- [06:28:10] <MH_>
Hello! Who can help me to check Panda board deliver status?
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MH_: nobody, just wait
- [07:45:14] <MH_>
OK! Thanks!
- [07:45:48] <MH_>
Where you comes from?
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Do you get Pandaboard for verification?
- [07:48:14] <MH_>
How long yyou get it after you ordered it?
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- [15:27:07] <jayabharath>
good morning all
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hi jayabharath
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- [16:22:03] <orbarron>
gm all..
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- [16:36:05] <prpplague>
robclark: smart move
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- [16:53:53] <davilla>
robclark: has anyone done any work on yv12 -> rgb color space convert using neon ?
- [16:54:22] <gxben>
davilla, hey got your panda now ?
- [16:54:37] <davilla>
no panda yet :(
- [16:55:23] <robclark>
davilla: not yv12, but nv12 (which is similar)..
- [16:55:36] <robclark>
I have some nv12->argb neon code around here somewhere
- [16:55:58] <robclark>
(never got around to including it in gst.. it is just a stand-alone function)
- [16:57:20] <davilla>
cool, that might help, yuv-rgb shader is dog slow on A4, so doing sw-scaler yuv-rgb and it's not neon-ized.
- [17:00:41] <merbzt>
davilla: I'm working on one now, based on the libsdl 16bit converter
- [17:01:05] <davilla>
oooo
- [17:02:51] <merbzt>
davilla: are shaders that slow for colorspace conversion ?
- [17:03:48] <davilla>
yep, unless we are doing something very wrong :) they can't even keep up for SD content.
- [17:04:03] <merbzt>
what gpu is it ?
- [17:04:26] <davilla>
http://trac.xbmc.org/browser/trunk/system/shaders/yuv2rgb_basic_gles.glsl
- [17:04:38] <davilla>
PowerVR 535
- [17:04:54] <koen>
535?
- [17:04:58] <koen>
that's poulsbong
- [17:05:01] <davilla>
I know, it makes no sense
- [17:06:07] <davilla>
PowerVR SGX535 GPU
- [17:06:18] <gxben>
davilla, you gave more thoughts about on to support omap4 on xbmc ? through omx or libdce ?
- [17:06:31] <koen>
in topfs2's branch there's support for omapfb
- [17:06:32] <gxben>
davilla, omap4 is pvr540
- [17:06:38] <koen>
no need to do yuv->rgb
- [17:06:43] <koen>
only 420 -> 422
- [17:07:06] <koen>
but topfs2 also said that the 540 in the omap4 is fast enough for the shaders
- [17:08:36] <davilla>
420 -> 422 and omapfb , yep that's what is current on topfs2's branch
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- [17:10:50] <davilla>
gxben: not much, omx would be more 'universal', don't know libdce much. One thing I do know is you want to minimize copy/convert games and get hw decode into GPU space
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- [17:11:26] <davilla>
texture, overlay, fb, whatever.
- [17:15:09] <koen>
openmax is so non-universal it's not funny anymore
- [17:15:54] <davilla>
yep, another high promise API designed by committee that fails to deliver :)
- [17:16:22] <prpplague>
armin76: ping
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- [17:16:53] <armin76>
prpplague: hello
- [17:17:35] <prpplague>
armin76: hey what test app did you run to generate the results you have here http://dev.gentoo.org/~armin76/arm/memcpy-neon_result.txt
- [17:17:46] <topfs2>
yeah koen would be nice to use the overlay stuff but I dont think its available on a4
- [17:17:52] <prpplague>
koen: greetings
- [17:18:03] <armin76>
prpplague: check the link
- [17:18:42] <armin76>
prpplague: the sourceware link, its attached
- [17:18:47] <topfs2>
and yeah the 540 is fast enough for shaders on SD content in SD, it feels weird though that they arent faster than that. Problem seems to be that its ntsc yuv which needs a mxm instead of just 4 MAD which normal yuv needs
- [17:18:53] <prpplague>
armin76: ahh ok
- [17:21:50] <koen>
topfs2: it is
- [17:21:56] <koen>
topfs2: its the same kernel driver :)
- [17:22:11] <topfs2>
if its running linux :(
- [17:22:25] <topfs2>
davillas stuff doesnt. perhaps its accesible no matter?
- [17:22:34] <topfs2>
davilla: perhaps something for your hackers :)
- [17:23:40] <davilla>
maybe, I can get to what are called IOSurfaces, EGL seems to overlay those.
- [17:30:14] <koen>
rsalveti: what's the ETA for merging your panda fixes in the mainline xload?
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- [17:31:43] <rsalveti>
koen: the idea is to send them upstream this week
- [17:32:08] <koen>
nice!
- [17:32:13] <rsalveti>
but it'll need a newer kernel, I believe
- [17:32:49] <prpplague>
rsalveti: alot of changes?
- [17:33:04] <rsalveti>
prpplague: nops, just removing some stuff from x-loader and moving to the kernel
- [17:33:17] <prpplague>
rsalveti: you got a branch up on gitorious or something?
- [17:33:20] <rsalveti>
http://gitorious.org/~rsalveti/x-loader/ubuntu-x-loader/trees/master/debian/patches
- [17:33:24] <rsalveti>
prpplague: ^
- [17:34:56] <prpplague>
rsalveti: thanks
- [17:35:38] <koen>
rsalveti: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=d362c04c192d55af699b7f60ef2072c4d0ed6311
- [17:36:27] <rsalveti>
koen: oh, cool
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hi, i am running ubuntu on my pandaboard and i am looking at /boot/boot.config
- [18:15:04] <Andre_H>
can someone explain me the mem kernel parameters in the pandaboard context?
- [18:15:08] <Andre_H>
(please)
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sry, computer crashed... did i missed something?
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- [18:32:18] <bratsche>
I heard that I need at least a class 6 SD card for the Panda.. and someone told me that if it's anything like the Beagle board, it's rather hit-and-miss as to which vendors make SD cards that work with it. Anyone know if this is still true of the Panda?
- [18:34:07] <dm8tbr>
it's rather hit and miss in general
- [18:34:26] <dm8tbr>
not related to specifically panda or beagle
- [18:34:33] <bratsche>
Ah, okay.
- [18:34:43] <bratsche>
Any recommendations on a good SD card to get then?
- [18:35:21] <dm8tbr>
I was told transcend class 6 is ok. that's what I bought for my n900 and also for my panda. didn't have the time to try though.
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- [18:42:21] <sakoman_>
dm8tbr: transcend is pretty good, so is sandisk
- [18:43:17] <sakoman_>
I have just begun a test of the various brands, looking at iozone performance on read and write, as well as a more real world angstrom "first boot" test
- [18:45:36] <sakoman_>
the tests take a while to run, but results will trickle in here throughout the week: http://www.sakoman.com/OMAP/microsd-card-perfomance-test-results.html
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- [18:46:22] <sakoman_>
note that patriot class 10 benchmarks pretty well on the iozone tests, but sucks big time on real world usage
- [18:46:41] <sakoman_>
after this first round of tests I plan to see if I can uncover why that is
- [18:47:53] <sakoman_>
I'll also post the complete iozone test results and plots later this week, same page
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- [18:51:14] <eFfeM>
sakoman, nice work! (but I hope the first boot time is in ms, not in s, 6177 seconds and 1252 seconds are both way too long)
- [18:52:11] <eFfeM>
and it is interesting to see that the topram cl 4 does better than the patriot cl 10
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- [19:01:28] <nhg>
kingston class 6 is also quite good...see bottom of this page: http://omappedia.org/wiki/PandaBoard_Accessories_%26_Peripherals
- [19:02:19] <koen>
avoid kingston
- [19:02:28] <nhg>
hmm...
- [19:02:33] <koen>
they just buy random chips and put a kingston badge on it
- [19:02:57] <koen>
so having 2 cards from the same series isn't a guarantee that they will be the same
- [19:03:09] <koen>
since one might be sandisk and the other toshiba inside
- [19:03:37] <nhg>
At least in comparison kingston class 6 was way faster than patriot class 4
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- [19:06:55] <mru>
kingston are often toshiba inside
- [19:07:53] <mru>
I have a few and they work ok
- [19:08:15] <mru>
never did any serious speed tests though
- [19:12:17] <koen>
at work they bought the cheap kingstons from amazon
- [19:12:28] <koen>
molasses is fast compared to those
- [19:12:29] <sakoman_>
eFfeM: nope, first boot is in seconds!
- [19:12:58] <sakoman_>
it is a very beefy GNOME image, which is why it is a good "real life" installation test
- [19:13:32] <sakoman_>
just added first boot for transcend
- [19:15:58] <koen>
sakoman_: you ran iozone on your workstation, right?
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- [19:16:34] <koen>
sakoman_: since I haven't seen the omap hsmmc go over 7MB/s write
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- [19:33:59] <eFfeM>
sakoman_: ah ok, missed that fact that it was an install test, thought it was a first boot from an already installed image; 6000 seconds is quite excessive, 1hr40min, guess this is outside my patience treshold :-)
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- [19:42:16] <_av500_>
eFfeM: its gnome, what pain threshold?
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- [19:50:33] <bratsche>
koen: Which card do you recommend other than Kingston?
- [19:51:26] <koen>
sandisk hasn't failed me yet
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- [20:07:38] <sakoman_>
koen: no, iozone was run on the Overo
- [20:08:25] <koen>
hmmm
- [20:08:33] <sakoman_>
3730
- [20:08:45] <koen>
someone tell av500 about the increased sd write speeds :)
- [20:09:07] <sakoman_>
I just report what iozone says :-)
- [20:09:27] <koen>
maybe the die shrink fixed it
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- [20:10:54] <sakoman_>
eFfeM: you 6000 seconds is quite excessive! that's why I said that that patriot class 10 sucked :-)
- [20:12:12] <sakoman_>
s/you/yes/
- [20:13:15] <sakoman_>
koen: looking back at a test I ran with transcend 8GB class 6 a year ago on 35XX I got 5820 for read and 15100 for write
- [20:13:27] <sakoman_>
so the 37xx does indeed seem to be faster
- [20:15:26] <sakoman_>
hmm . . . the 8GB ADATA card seems to have issues -- getting mmc errors :-(
- [20:15:39] <sakoman_>
trying the 4GB ADATA
- [20:15:58] <bratsche>
koen: Thanks!
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- [20:34:58] <sakoman_>
koen: interesting - both of the ADATA class 6 cards (4 and 8 GB) fail to work on my Overo:
- [20:35:13] <sakoman_>
mmcblk0: error -110 sending read/write command, response 0x900, card status 0xe00
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- [20:37:00] <sakoman_>
both seem OK on my development machine. wonder if they are tickling some dormant omap mmc driver issue!
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- [20:37:13] <djParker>
anyone know where to get a pandaboard besides digikey?
- [20:37:39] <sakoman_>
djParker: digikey is it. just place your order and get in the delivery queue
- [20:37:58] <djParker>
yeah said back ordered tell almost april
- [20:38:25] <djParker>
guess ill have to play with the beagle until then
- [20:38:27] <sakoman_>
their backorder estimates are often quite pessimistic
- [20:38:27] <eFfeM>
sakoman_: I understand that 6000 is excessive, btw did you ever try to compare with usb hd ?
- [20:38:58] <djParker>
anyone hook up an lcd to the onboard headers?
- [20:39:18] <sakoman_>
eFfeM: not yet, but look at the other SD brands -- topram is 5x faster!
- [20:39:30] <eFfeM>
sakoman_: yeah saw that
- [20:39:38] <djParker>
im looking at the pixle qi, someone had mentioned about making a breakoutboard but cant find out
- [20:39:41] <eFfeM>
but no idea if I can get them here
- [20:39:45] <djParker>
find one*
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- [20:45:42] <sakoman_>
eFfeM: I'll add numbers for a 7200RPM terabyte usb drive just for grins
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- [20:47:21] <eFfeM>
sakoman_: cool
- [20:48:09] <eFfeM>
(actually I mostly use some 1.8" or 2.5" laptop disks, as these can be usb powered, but ofc they are often only 4200 rpm or so)
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- [21:33:35] <Andre_H>
hi, can someone give that code a try: http://pastebin.com/d0us3C84 , you can run it on pandaboard or on your desktop, but on pandaboard it "fails"
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- [21:37:14] <robclark>
Andre_H: http://pastebin.com/zY31YgaE
- [21:38:41] <Andre_H>
robclark: thx, same here (at least it seems consistent from 0x7f000000 on)
- [21:39:05] <Andre_H>
did you tested it on your desktop pc? i get no message here...
- [21:39:58] <robclark>
not yet.. although my desktop is a 64bit machine.. so not entirely sure if the results would be comparable..
- [21:40:14] <Andre_H>
mine too
- [21:40:27] <Esmil>
Andre_H: Same here and no output on my 64bit laptop
- [21:40:42] <Andre_H>
so no messages on 64-bit, and no messages on 64-bit compiled as 32-bit app (gcc -m32 main.c)
- [21:40:52] <Andre_H>
Esmil: thx
- [21:41:07] <robclark>
no messages, meaning it didn't even go thru the loop body?
- [21:41:40] <Andre_H>
no message means the returned pointer is the same as the given(or wanted) one, which is good
- [21:41:43] <robclark>
oh, wait, else if
- [21:41:51] <robclark>
ahh, gotcha..
- [21:42:15] <Andre_H>
So a good question: existing bug, or new one?
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- [21:43:21] <Andre_H>
i broke that testcase down from some application code and at least the application doesnt have that issue in QEMU-system-arm. so i guess it is not a normal behaviour of ARM (even when considering qemu buggy)
- [21:43:59] <Andre_H>
there's https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4/+bug/633227 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4/+bug/690370 but i am unsure if the testcase belongs to one of them
- [21:45:55] <robclark>
Andre_H: http://pastebin.com/bsMr0kKH
- [21:46:07] <robclark>
at least part of what you are trying to map is conflicting with the stack..
- [21:47:51] <Andre_H>
omg, but ok it's still just a part, so what about the area above the stack, that's still strang
- [21:47:53] <robclark>
I wouldn't expect it is related to either of those bugs.. I think those are the himem bugs (which, AFAIK, is a generic ARM issue.. probably only panda specific part of those bugs is that panda has enough RAM to trigger the problem)
- [21:48:10] <Andre_H>
:)
- [21:48:17] <robclark>
Andre_H: not sure about that yet..
- [21:49:31] <Andre_H>
but my testcase is about virtual memory, so it should also run on 128MB machines
- [21:49:48] <Andre_H>
should i file a bug?
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- [21:53:10] <robclark>
well.. I'm not quite sure if it is a bug yet.. I'd have to step thru the kernel code to see why the map is failing. Although in general what you are trying to do is not something that is guaranteed to work.
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- [21:56:27] <Andre_H>
i would expect to get virtual memory for my process if i want exactly that one
- [21:58:06] <robclark>
well.. unless it is already mapped in to your process.. and AFAIK if you are not using himem you could have some additional reasons for not being able to map arbitrary addresses..
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- [21:59:01] <robclark>
I need more closely at what happens to address space when you make a syscall, but I think in at least some cases the kernel needs the process memory and it's own stuff mapped at same time..
- [21:59:31] <robclark>
(well, don't quote me on that, but if I remember correctly in some cases copy_from_user()/copy_to_user() were basically just memcpy's..)
- [22:00:43] <Andre_H>
is there a way to get himem on pandaboard?
- [22:01:50] <robclark>
Andre_H: you may already have it depending on what kernel you are using
- [22:01:51] <robclark>
zcat /proc/config.gz | grep HIGHMEM
- [22:02:27] <Andre_H>
it's on (=y)
- [22:03:23] <robclark>
still, I don't think it is a good idea to rely on arbitrary virtual memory mappings.. although in your case I don't know how difficult it is to avoid that
- [22:04:32] <Andre_H>
it will get a pain to avoid it upstream, because how to check for such a behaviour correctly?
- [22:05:00] <robclark>
is it possible to avoid altogether? I don't completely understand why this is needed..
- [22:05:10] <Andre_H>
it's for Wine...
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- [22:05:20] <robclark>
yeah, that part I remember ;-)
- [22:05:52] <robclark>
(so I guess the question is why does wine need this?)
- [22:05:55] <Andre_H>
Windoze needs the address 7ffe0000 for "user shared data"
- [22:06:05] <Andre_H>
-needs +uses
- [22:06:14] <Andre_H>
Apps rely on that
- [22:06:26] <robclark>
hmm, ie you'd have to recompile the app to change it?
- [22:06:53] <Andre_H>
:) i see your point
- [22:07:38] <robclark>
I mean, if apps are pulling this value from some variable in some dll that wine is providing, maybe it isn't so hard to settle on an address at runtime
- [22:07:44] <Andre_H>
but i don't want to use #ifdef ARM
- [22:08:04] <robclark>
is it required that this address is the same for all processes, or something like this?
- [22:08:23] <Andre_H>
yes
- [22:08:33] * robclark knows very little about windows
- [22:08:39] <robclark>
hmm, ok..
- [22:09:12] <Andre_H>
Fact is on ARM it's not important, but i want to avoid #ifdef __arm__ at that point, as it works e.g. in qemu-arm
- [22:09:44] <robclark>
well, frequently it is not good to assume that "works on qemu" == "works on arm"..
- [22:09:52] <Andre_H>
true
- [22:10:22] <Andre_H>
but at least Wine runs in qemu-arm, but not on pandaboard :/
- [22:10:42] <robclark>
well, at this point, the most I could say is I'd have to dig into the mmap code to see if it was even something that was possible to change/fix..
- [22:10:46] <Andre_H>
and that i bet that special pointer issue is just the first problem
- [22:10:52] <robclark>
probably
- [22:11:23] <robclark>
you might want to add an #ifdef for now, and move on.. at least then you could see what the second problem is ;-)
- [22:11:25] <Andre_H>
do you accept sacks of money?
- [22:11:48] <robclark>
heheh.. really sacks of time is preferable ;-)
- [22:12:32] <Andre_H>
good, i don't have sacks of money ;) but my time is also not very much, so i guess i use an #ifdef for now
- [22:12:54] <robclark>
but try the ifdef temporarily, and I'll look more hopefully sometime in the next few days.. or weekend in the worst case
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- [22:12:55] <Andre_H>
and maybe file a bug, so we don't forget about it and maybe others have time
- [22:13:24] <robclark>
sure
- [22:13:30] <robclark>
let me know the #
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- [22:13:36] <robclark>
I'd like to put myself in CC
- [22:13:46] <markstoddard>
I sent in an RMA request via the form and have not gotten any response. Is there a backlog of RMA requests or have the people responsible gone on vacation?
- [22:13:49] <Andre_H>
yes, and anyway: Thank you!
- [22:13:58] <robclark>
no prob
- [22:14:17] <Andre_H>
oh and... is it common for launchpad to attach code or to paste it?
- [22:14:32] * robclark has no idea
- [22:14:57] <robclark>
I would assume if it isn't a huge chunk of code it would be ok, but #ubuntu or #ubuntu-arm would be better place to ask
- [22:15:19] <robclark>
for your little code snippet, I don't think anyone would mind too much..
- [22:15:20] <Andre_H>
ok
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- [22:18:48] <markstoddard>
Does anybody have contact information so that I can check on the status of an RMA request? It has been a week and I have heard nothing.
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- [22:33:27] <Andre_H>
robclark: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4/+bug/697004
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- [22:50:45] <robclark>
Andre_H: thx
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- [23:12:46] <pmathews>
Where should I go for Android on Blaze?
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